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Elliott_wave
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I posted a link in the Online Tax Revolt thread to a chilling, but important speech by former U.S. Marine, and author Tom Baugh. I had heard about him through ticker forum, and have kept track of his work since then. That speech, given at the NH Liberty Forum, can be found here. I urge all of you to listen to it. http://starvingthemonkeys.com/events/Lib....Suffice it to say, Mr. Baugh is not hopeful that electoral politics at the Federal level will do anything to slow down the collectivist juggernaut. Washington politicians profit by stealing from A to give to B, whether it be direct cash transfers, or business regulation that raises costs making smaller producers less competitive. The end result is the Kleptocratic, facist/socialist system we struggle with daily. Too many Americans have been bribed to care about individual liberty or justice. As long as those checks keep coming in, the government boot will remain placed firmly on the neck of those who produce. Related to that speech is a series of articles on state secession movements, a detailed discussion of the likely Federal response, and how those who value liberty might effectively respond to the coming repression. His speculations are chilling, but essential reading. Keep in mind, these are things the gunmen who "enforce" the laws of Congress think about on a daily basis. Part One: Understanding the Battlefield http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/a....Part Two: The Second Shot http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/a....Part Three: Warm, Live Hands http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/a....Part Four: A Civilized Secession http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/a....Part Five: Crisis Secession http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/a....Part Six: Stacking the Deck http://dumpdc.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/a....
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Pika-steph
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Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Thanks EW - I'll try to make time to listen today after work.
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Rickysa
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Incept: 2007-08-22
Southern Pines, NC
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wow...watched it all and am starting the reading.
but, for discussion: "they will come and take it all", when the tyranny comes, is when they start taking guns, and he says let them..."no 'cold dead hands'"
that you can always get guns later...that concept I'm not comfortable with, and something I struggle with daily. I know the arguement that "they can't confiscate 100M guns, so they will never do it"...but that doesn't help me prepare for black boots on the front porch.
While I can say "No, I Will Not Comply", a la Michael Balnarik, I don't much think I would survive any kind of physical attempt at disarmament.
-or- I could give them everyting as Mr. Baugh suggests, so that I can survive the tyrannical phase and come out on the other side.
But, I'm uncomfortabe with what history shows, i.e. Hitler Germany
Maybe I just worry too much.
Rick
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Elliott_wave
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Boilinmad
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Emerald City
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Read the following slowly and carefully and see if you can recognize it today
The Governing Body under the original Constitution
Having three separate and distinct Branches or Departments equal to each other as to power and control of a segment of government while being on the same playing field laterally in position to each other.
* Legislature (Constitution; Article I) --can enact positive law * Executive (Constitution; Article II) * Judicial (Constitution; Article III) --known as article III courts
The purpose of having three separate and distinct branches at the same level is for checks and balances so that no one man or branch of government has complete power.
The legislative Branch consists of the Senate and Congress.
The purpose of the Senate was originally designed to voice states rights while Congress voiced the peoples rights.
The Senators were chosen by the states and were not elected by the people.
Together, they can come to a conclusion that meets the rights, interests, and benefit of both the state and the people.
Or is this more familiar today
The President (a Caesar) rules by Executive Order (Unconstitutional)
Congress and the Courts are under the President. Did you ever wonder why Congress is ignored by the President?
The President is the Chief Executive Officer (C.E.O.) of the government corporation. Impeachment today is nearly impossible, unless it is in the best interest of the controlling bankers and the one-world government elite. Also, what most people do not realize is that most courts today are legislative courts and not Judicial.
The so-called (corporate) Congress sits by resolution not by positive law.
Therefore, the position of power is as follows:
1. President (C.E.O of the corporation sits as Caesar --does not need congressional approval) 2. Legislature (The new Congress and Senate voices Public Opinion) 3. so-called Judicial (Legislative, Article I courts) 4. Non-existant Judicial (Article III courts) except for Special circumstances that benefit the elite
The top position has control over the second position and the second position has control over the last position vertically and not laterally.
There are no checks and balances unless the President is concerned with a potential revolution based on the outcry of its citizens.
Each puppet that comes into office wears a different costume but ends up serving the same master. (The Masters are the Elite and Bankers operating behind the scenes)
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Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain. Napoleon Boneparte
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Elliott_wave
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Pika-steph
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Thanks EW. I haven't nearly gotten through all this...but I'm going to.
Some of this might need to be added our pinned 'Resources' thread.
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Elliott_wave
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Pika-steph
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Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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'Political Cesspool'?  Isn't it just?
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Elliott_wave
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I just finished Baugh's book and thought I'd come back to this thread to give some thoughts on it, as well as a message I sent to him today: Quote: For the most part, I loved it. Although I'm not an engineer (I work in health care--ostensibly as a "professional" who rehabilitates the physically disabled, so they can be more independent), The experiences are virtually identical. It was as if you had planted a bug on me, when I try to explain to others what the hell is going on in "Corporate America", and all of the tricks "they" (ie. management) have up their monkey-suit sleeves.
Of course, I only get looked at like I'm a lunatic--not because people think I'm wrong, but that it isn't something that should be said so openly.
I've been growing dissatisfied with my career for quite awhile. It has been corrupted from something that can improve quality of life, to being a monkey-job that profits from government largess.
When the govt. decides to default on its promise to our grandmothers and grandfathers, or anyone else it has promised to "care" for, it will be my job to somehow justify the substandard "treatment" they receive. Of course, if I care "too much" (ie. cost the govt. too much money), then I'm guilty of "fraud" and crimes against "We the people."
What we tell young men and women before they get into college, and what they experience after graduation--are two different things. Yet, they spend so much time in school for "education" that they are virtually locked into a particular path, because of debt. It's as if the system were designed that way to re-create a more effective plantation.
Some areas for disagreement:
The reverence for "the Constitution" really needs to die, along with The Widow and her greed (The Widow is a character in the first half of the book). The fact you had to write this book proves it is a failure, and I hope you check out some of the materials in the links below, particularly Anthony de Jasay and his book "The State".
I would also recommend Gustave de Molinari's Production of Security:
http://praxeology.net/GM-PS.htm
The things "we" (ie. the common people) cherish are the Bill of Rights, not the Constitution proper. This needs to be clarified. The Bill of Rights was a last ditch effort to constrain the monster that Hamilton and Madison (forefathers of the Bansksters we loathe today) were trying to unleash.
I've wrote about the inherent contradictions in the idea of "limited government", as well as the dirty tricks used by "Federalists" in the ratification of the constitution in a few places. Here are some links:
http://tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-w....
http://tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-w....
http://fr33agents.ning.com/profiles/blog....
I don't care about countries or their Constitutions. Talk is cheap, and contracts are just scratches on paper.
I care about principles--the beliefs that actually govern a person's behavior. This call to "return" to the Constitution prevents us from thinking about important ethical principles, and how we should relate to one another.
I find myself having more respect for the foreign born Korean businessmen, who had the courage to defend their property during the LA riots, or the "illegal" immigrant who only wants to work, than I do for an "American" who wants to use the law as a tool to rob me of what I earn, or restrain me from providing for myself.
The real "error" is not in the Constitution, but in our tacit acceptance of the premise in Article 1 Section 8:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes.."
Accepting that premise grants collectivists everything they want. Just read it--it's littered with "we", "common good" etc---all vague, wishy-washy platitudes the collectivists use to hypnotize us into compliance.
Acceptance of that premise is analogous to the venom a wasp injects into a spider in order to use it to form a nest for its larvae:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/02/....
"Spiders spend a lot of time crafting their webs in hopes of making a meal out of all manner of winged insect--but a recently discovered species of wasp is found to use the spider's engineering prowess to it's own advantage. Through a not yet understood chemical process, the wasps are able to, quite literally, enslave the unsuspecting spiders to build a nest for their larva, and after all that hard work, become their first meal."
For those who haven't read the book -- some highlights: 1. His experience as a Desert Storm veteran. The story how his unit was DISARMED by the higher ups, was both shocking and revealing at how the government really views its servicemen. 2. His experience of being arrested and the ongoing legal repercussions at Virginia Tech, for having a heated argument with an administrator over an improper bill. 3. His criticism of Bush Sr. while in the military, and the secret government investigation because of this. 4. He explains why armed resistance--at least at the moment--is a no-go, and why that is so. He also explains how to know when the time to acquire arms is near, as well as some ideas on how to acquire what is needed. In his view, large stockpiles gathered now only draw the attention to authorities, and are likely to get you killed if the government sees fit. The book cuts across many genres--fiction, business/economics, political philosophy, autobiography, comedy, self-help, and guerilla warfare manual/bibliography all wrapped up into one book. If you found his Liberty Forum speech of interest, he goes into detail in the book some things that were left unsaid in the talk.
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