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User Info HOLY ****! Did TNX go sub 2.00%???!?! in forum [General]
Wakeupcall
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What % of GDP are our interest payments right now?

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Mayorquimby
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Actually I think interest payments as a percentage of gdp went down very slightly yoy due to much lower rates.

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Gold is theft.
Argos
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The .TNX hits 1.654%.
Nomullet
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look at oil

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Ben
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The Distant, Glorious, Past
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1.654

The lower it goes, the more likely every sovereign is to get addicted to more debt and the larger and quicker the Teller-Ulam Event will be when it all falls apart.

Objectively looking at that table, this is clearly an end of empire fiscal moment. The country is addicted to cheap credit, the monetary authorities began to game the system and devalue the currency and increase the supply of credit, and at some point down the line it all goes...

smiley

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Hstella
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smileyThis is so not good.
Jeffrey_thomason
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The topic title just gets more hilarious/sad/quaint with every passing week...

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1.642

— isn't that an all time record low?

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Asimov
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Yea.

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Poer
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The Bow of the USS Titanic is under the water level
countdown to floating on icebergs scene

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Nice call Goldman. When the ten year was yielding 2.30, Goldman said bonds are in a cyclical downtrend and should be avoided; indeed, sold short.

Another great call in a series of great calls!

Bwahhhhhhaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaa...................
Vegasradar
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1.627 smiley

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Ben
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Wow. The Good Ole Days of 2008 return.

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Please wait below deck for your turn to board a life boat. I repeat...there is no reason to panic.

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Ben
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It's not panicking if you are the first one out the door.

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Avianphlu
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gold and dollar rising...unusual
Loudoungroup
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Ulsterirish....another very bad sign...

+30 in a few hours...

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1.62

shouldn't the markets be down at least double what they are now with a 1.62 10yr?

Also— isn't Gold and USD up together signal DEPRESSION?

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Asimov
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Actually, it's a sign that somebody is buying the **** out of gold with euros. (Possibly other currencies too, but I only track it with euros and usd.)

Top chart white line is /GC inverted.

Bottom chart orange line is price of gold in euros, white dashed in eur/usd inverted.
Inline

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
Gates
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The question ASI, is when/if the scared money gets it's fill of gold and treasuries, do they dump that scared money into our equity markets...
Theedge111
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Eventually the smart money is going to realize there is nowhere safe to go. That's when things will really get interesting.


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Ironman09
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How to make money if this hit the bottom ? Which stock/etf to bet on for a huge reversal ???

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- Short the Phone Book roll-over to 1330 ( May 6th,2013)
Nanna
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GDX?

N/not investment advice, just saying it appears to already have reversed, and close to an upside breakout

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Ironman09
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Nanan, thanks but I am looking to take short opposite position on the Bonds. I think going TLT short by PUTs or TBT long...

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- Short the Phone Book roll-over to 1330 ( May 6th,2013)
Nanna
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I was just going for the huge reversal part ...

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