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Krzelune
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I bet this turns into an all-out Leach****/Race riot just in time for the political show.
Anyone who has read about the socialists/communists/community organizer tactics and their plans/ideas knows exactly what is going on here.
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The desire of millions, the inconvenience of millions, the suffering of millions, the death of millions, does not concern them because of the evolutionary humanist lens they peer through.
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Expy
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Start the Demonization -Libtards!
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Exactly, when they aren't rump-humping each other!
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"IT'S THE INCOME/CASHFLOW SILLY"! {c expy  } Where will incomes, wages, and profits/revenues come from to recover the economy after the spiral down? Certainly not the "New Service Economy". W/out massive new debt creation, [unlikely], and useful productivity, the public and business are probably screwed by a |
Timbo
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Krzel wrote..Anyone who has read about the socialists/communists/community organizer tactics and their plans/ideas knows exactly what is going on here. Everyone else should get acquainted. Quote:Alinsky argued for moral relativism in fighting the establishment: “In war the end justifies almost any means. . . . The practical revolutionary will understand [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”
Where did Alinsky get this amorality? Clues can be found in a Playboy magazine interview he gave in 1972, just before his death. In the closest thing to a memoir Alinsky left, he told how he decided to do his (never-completed) doctoral dissertation in the 1930s on the Al Capone mob, and to do it as “an inside job.” He caught the eye of Big Ed Stash, the mob’s top executioner, and convinced him he could be trusted as a sort of mob mascot who would interpret its methods to the outside world. “He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone’s number-two man,” Alinsky told Playboy. “Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti’s boys took me everywhere.”
Alinsky recalled that he “learned a hell of a lot about the uses and abuses of power from the mob,” and that he applied that knowledge “later on, when I was organizing.” The Playboy interviewer asked, “Didn’t you have any compunction about consorting with — if not actually assisting — murderers?” Alinsky replied: “None at all, since there was nothing I could do to stop them from murdering. . . . I was a nonparticipating observer in their professional activities, although I joined their social life of food, drink, and women. Boy, I sure participated in that side of things — it was heaven.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2.... Lying like the cool breeze, he means for you to understand that as long as his demands are met, nobody should worry about receiving mail bombs. You'll find Blackcat's admiration for the classical school of international socialism, and my reply, on page 124. http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepo....http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepo....
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Bohemian
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Remember those weird people at Tea Party rallies with weird signs doing weird things that weren't part of the Tea Party? Well ... it's funny how they show up.
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"The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice; you have owners. They own you. They own everything." - George Carlin
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Blackcat
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Wow nice to pull an old post out of nowhere and totally unrelated to anything. BTW - Im an anarchist there Timbo. Classic libertarianism with a touch of anarcho-sydacalism. I'm guess you think all 'anarchists' are 'socialists' too? Maybe they should just lump them all together like Hitler did and send them away to the camps? So do you subscribe to the classic school of international fascism? That the state should be able to use violence against its people and they should not fight back and just take it. Like this?  |
Timbo
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Blackcat wrote..Wow nice to pull an old post out of nowhere and totally unrelated to anything. The relation between Saul Alinksy and the IWW is not even a little oblique. Nor, I did point out, is your enthusiasm for the IWW and OWS. Quote:BTW - Im an anarchist there Timbo. Classic libertarianism with a touch of anarcho-sydacalism. *groan* http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepo.... (I've since had occasion to read Voltairine de Cleyre. She was a waterhead.)I noticed you didn't reply when I bottom-lined Chomsky, either. http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepo....http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?singlepo....Quote:Hitler Drag your ass to wikipedia -- topic: "Weimar Republic" -- and meet the contestants: National Socialist German Workers' Party Communist Party of Germany Communist Workers Party of Germany (Essen Faction) Communist Workers Party of Germany (Berlin Faction) International Socialists of Germany Social Democratic Party of Germany Independent Social Democratic Party of Germany (I've wondered, on occasion, whether Prussia might be the source of all bad ideas which are not French.) Not to be outdone -- Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Wing_C....
Lenin describes the enemies of the working class as opportunists, petty-bourgeois revolutionaries, which he links to anarchism, the "Left" Bolsheviks (expelled from the Bolshevik group in 1909) and whom he links with those who criticised the Peace of Brest-Litovsk. He ends by attacking the Mensheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries and members of the Socialist International who were prepared to compromise with the German leaders in defence of a capitalist system. "Superstition dies hard." Quote:the state should be able to use violence[?] Bohemian beat you to that short-circuit by something like a hundred pages. I think I neglected to say then: the brain-damaged children really ought to read the fine print in the revolutionary socialist brochure. The odious gears and the levers aren't going to clog themselves. The people putting these things together are steeped in mythology and political calculus. They have tactics. They need bodies. ---- Let's see the pull quote again -- "The immediate cause of violence in connection with industrial disputes is almost without exception the attempt to introduce strikebreakers"Commission on Industrial Relations, 1916. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_..... Mysteriously, none of the buildings blown up was owned by a Mary Harris "Mother" Jones, or William "Big Bill" Haywood.Quote:classic school of international fascism Right. Famous for its international nationalism. Wiped clean out of the history books. Uniforms all mismatched. Salute like a lawn sprinkler. Marched in parade din, with the anthems all blasting out of time.
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Buddy
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Okay, so OWS has lost momentum, has moved into gimme gimme and occupy everything, knows who and what is the problem (not the how or why), and some of the chants are annoying and not lots of people in the video, but video is a breath of fresh air for the original intent of the movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDDte1shx.... |
Sa
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Incept: 2007-12-30
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Here's some news on OWS - UC Davis fallout...
UC Davis police chief resigning after pepper spray incident
The Associated PressAssociated Press
Posted: 04/18/2012 06:58:36 PM PDT
April 19, 2012 1:59 AM GMTUpdated: 04/18/2012 06:58:37 PM PDT
DAVIS -- The police chief who oversaw the University of California, Davis, police department during its notorious pepper-spraying of Occupy protesters said Wednesday that she is stepping down.
UC Davis spokesman Barry Shiller said Annette Spicuzza told the school she is retiring effective Thursday.
Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee that she does not want the Nov. 18 incident to define her or the university, and she's leaving so everyone involved can move forward.
"For the past seven years, I have accomplished many good things for both the police department and community here at UC Davis; and am grateful to those of you who have remembered this," she wrote to the paper.
Spicuzza has been on paid leave since the incident, along with Lt. John Pike, who sprayed the orange liquid into the faces of protesters who were seated on a sidewalk.
Last week, a task force led by a retired California Supreme Court justice issued a report that blamed the incident on poor planning, communication and decision-making at all levels of the school administration.
The report was especially critical of Spicuzza, Pike and UC Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi.
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Peterm99
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Incept: 2009-03-21
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Resignation and retirement? Yeah, right, so they can keep on living high off the hog off of the parents of those they pepper-sprayed and the rest of the taxpayers.
Spicuzza, Pike, and Katehi all need to be fired, stripped of all accrued benefits, and buried up to their necks in the quadrangle so that those who still believe in the Bill of Rights can***** on them.
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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place." - Fred Reed
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Ponzi_unit
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Sure is quiet out there...  
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Taxpayers witnessed a crime and stayed around long enough to get charged with it.
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Drench
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Quote:The world’s biggest banks are working with one another and police to gather intelligence as protesters try to rejuvenate the Occupy Wall Street movement with May demonstrations, industry security consultants said.
Among 99 protest targets in midtown Manhattan on May 1 are JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) and Bank of America Corp. (BAC) offices, said Marisa Holmes, a member of Occupy’s May Day planning committee. Events are scheduled for more than 115 cities, including an effort to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, where Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) investors relied on police to get past protests at their annual meeting this week. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-26.... |
Sojo
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Video and pictures at link: http://news.yahoo.com/chilling-plea-occu....Chilling Plea at ‘Occupy’ DC: Speaker – If I‘m Arrested ’I Want You to Start Killing M*****F*****s!’The Blaze By Benny Johnson | The Blaze – Wed, Apr 25, 2012 H/T : Nate at OccupyEye Multiple speakers preached explicit violence at the Occupy The Justice Department rally in Washington DC Tuesday. Speeches at this event were focused on Trayvon Martin and freedom for radical journalist and convicted cop killer, Mumia Abu-Jamal. Speaker at Occupy the Justice Department in Washington DC: If Im Arrested, I Want You To Start Killing M*****F*****! Rapper Jay Sun began the rally with a violence-laden plea: ”I would just ask, if I ever go locked up or incarcerated, please don’t march for me. Don’t rally for me. I want you to start killing Mother F***ers!” He went on to explain, “It seems funny, but that’s the only thing a Government would listen to,” adding, “I would want people who would effectively get the task at hand done.” Rapper Jay Sun The rapper was followed by a rap memorial performed in honor of the late Trayvon Martin. Some of the allegorical lyrics include: George Zimmerman didn’t take his Ritalin/Drunk off adrenaline/says he’s making a citizens arrest/Trayvon looks at him vexed/George grabs him/Trayvon swings and connects/Starts crying out for help/Zimmerman sees a threat/so he pulls out his gun and points it at his chest/he fires and he misses/Trayvon begs for forgiveness/but George Zimmerman was so vicious/he made sure the second time he shot him/no survivors/no witness The rap had a clearly stated message at the end: “The message is: only White life is protected in America.” Pam Africa Activist Pam Africa closed out the event on Pennsylvania Ave. with a rousing speech encouraging people to cast out in vengeance against the “M***er F***er“ who ”blew the brains out of a brother.” “Don‘t push for nothin’ you ain’t prepared to do,” Africa lamented. “I have yet to pick up a paper and see where somebody has dealt with a situation where some m***** f***** took aim and blew the brains out of a brother.” Africa followed up with a call for action: “We cannot be up on stage talkin’ s**t, that you gonna do something that never f***ing materialize.” The rally eventually moved to the White House where the expletive-laden rant turned into a popular chant: “Obama come out, we got some s**t to talk about!”
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Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light.
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Timbo
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Drench
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Lowbeyond
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Quote:Rapper Jay Sun began the rally with a violence-laden plea: ”I would just ask, if I ever go locked up or incarcerated, please don’t march for me. Don’t rally for me. I want you to start killing Mother F***ers!”
He went on to explain, “It seems funny, but that’s the only thing a Government would listen to,” adding, “I would want people who would effectively get the task at hand done.” Sadly enough, he is right
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Timbo
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Quote:'Occupy' anarchists arrested for 'plotting to blow up Ohio bridge' after months of FBI surveillance
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-....
Targeted: The target of the plot was the Brecksville-Northfield High Level Bridge, which carries a four-lane highway over part of the Cuyahoga Valley National Park in the Brecksville area, about 15 miles south of downtown Cleveland
Late last month, the defendants finally settled on blowing up the bridge, authorities said.
Wright told a confidential source working with the FBI that 'as long as stuff "gets f--ked up" he'll be happy with the action,' the FBI said in its affidavit filed with the court. If only anyone could have seen that coming. <waxes eyebrows>
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Krzelune
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That bridge does have a 1%er look to it.
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The desire of millions, the inconvenience of millions, the suffering of millions, the death of millions, does not concern them because of the evolutionary humanist lens they peer through.
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Asimov
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****, bridge like that wouldn't take much at all to bring it down. Multiple single catastrophic points of failure with that design. Probably one or two homemade shaped charges would be sufficient with very little explosives used.
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.
If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Drench
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Krzelune
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The Russian Times reporter asks, "How do you know this is true?"
The self identified Occupy activist/journalist answers "blah blah blah, we asked drugged out occupy protestors, blah blah bull**** blah blah and more blah"
I call bull****
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The desire of millions, the inconvenience of millions, the suffering of millions, the death of millions, does not concern them because of the evolutionary humanist lens they peer through.
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Pika-steph
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Sa
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Occupiers' shouting prevents vote on Oakland weapons ban
By Matthew Artz
Oakland Tribunemercurynews.com
Posted: 05/23/2012 06:02:47 AM PDT
May 23, 2012 3:53 PM GMTUpdated: 05/23/2012 08:53:56 AM PDT
OAKLAND -- Council members never made it to a vote Tuesday on a proposal to ban Occupy Oakland's weapons of choice from protests -- cutting the meeting short when Occupiers repeatedly disrupted a critic.
The ordinance, proposed by City Attorney Barbara Parker, would allow police to arrest people for carrying numerous items at protests, including shields, clubs, hammers, paint projectiles and fire accelerant that agitators have used against police or to deface property during prior Occupy protests.
Occupy members said the law would infringe upon their rights and leave them defenseless in the face of police violence. While members of the group have disrupted previous City Council meetings, Occupiers were especially hostile during Tuesday's Public Safety Committee meeting.
Several members cursed at Councilmember Pat Kernighan, the committee chairwoman and sponsor of the proposed ordinance. Others hinted at violence if the measure ultimately was approved.
"I want to tell you Pat Kernighan that I could walk up to you and kill you with a F_ pencil. Are you going to outlaw pencils?" asked an Occupy member who goes only by the name Stephanie.
Occupy Oakland videographer and member Jessica Hollie warned near the end of an expletive-laden speech, "If you take away our shield, the only thing left is our second amendment right."
The four-member committee needed three votes to bring the law to the full council -- by no means
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a slam dunk. Councilmember Nancy Nadel said after the meeting that she would have voted against the proposal and that another committee member, Rebecca Kaplan, wanted changes to it.
"The most hurtful, violent behavior against people has been done by police," Nadel said.
Kaplan could not be reached for comment.
Kernighan could still bring the law before the full council with the support of a second council member.
Several major Occupy Oakland protests have been marred by violence and vandalism.
The ordinance was intended to help police quickly remove agitators from crowds of protesters during Occupy rallies before they get violent. Rather than having to catch Occupy agitators in the act of damaging property or using the makeshift weapons, police would be able to arrest protesters they saw carrying the prohibited items, authorities said.
But Occupy supporters warned that the law was written so broadly that even cameras and tripods could be considered weapons. They also noted several instances where police fired less-than-lethal ammunition on unarmed protesters.
About 40 Occupy members spoke for more than 90 minutes during the meeting, occasionally cursing and breaking in chants, such as, "Whose shields, our shields."
Councilmember Larry Reid left the meeting during the public comment.
It appeared the remaining three committee members were set to discuss the proposal, until the final speaker, Vincent Sauve, of Oakland, began speaking out against Occupy Oakland.
"It's not fair to the public to have this type of unruly behavior which really borders on terrorism actually," he said.
As Occupy members shouted and laughed at him, Kernighan gave them a piece of her mind.
"People, shut the hell up, OK," she said. "We listened to you. Let the guy speak."
When Occupiers continued with disrupting Sauve, Kernighan ended the meeting. Two men then came up to Sauve; one told him, "Get your (expletive) out of here. You can't talk."
Several police officers entered the council chambers, which emptied peacefully.
Contact Matthew Artz at 510-208-6435
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Buddy
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Occupy Wall Street Alternative Banking Group Files Amicus Brief on Side of Judge Rakoff in SEC v. Citigroup http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/o....From a comment on above link: Bent says: May 22, 2012 at 7:47 pm Judge Rakoff wrote, “In any case like this that touches on the transparency of financial markets whose gyrations have so depressed our economy and debilitated our lives, there is an overriding public interest in knowing the truth. In much of the world, propaganda reigns, and truth is confined to secretive, fearful whispers. Even in our nation, apologists for suppressing or obscuring the truth may always be found. But the SEC, of all agencies, has a duty, inherent in its statutory mission, to see that the truth emerges; and if fails to do so, this Court must not, in the name of deference or convenience, grant judicial enforcement to the agency’s contrivances.” Reason: Addition
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Videopro
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Quote:...Occupiers' shouting prevents vote on Oakland weapons ban... You can watch the archived Oakland City Council Meeting video here: http://oakland.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.....Session discussion was entitled: 'Prohibition of the possession of tools of violence' Highly recommended viewing. The attempted passing of increasingly unconstitutional and repressive laws like is occurring in Oakland is increasing in breadth and speed worldwide. I include several recent examples of the draconian laws going into effect in Canada and Russia that echo the Oakland effort in the later posts at this TF link: http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=206....
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
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Timbo
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