It's gone beyond that 1lump and now the media is trying to use it to divide everyone. As Karl is fond of saying, 'I can change my mind when there is new information or evidence.' In this case, regardless of where it started, it's grown far beyond whatever some group intended it to be....because the attendants are NOT what the media purports them to be.

I am now going by those I know that have BEEN to one of these 'Occupy' events. I will NO LONGER form my opinions based on what the media is showing me - EITHER factions of our media. The people are NOT all communists or union members or followers of Piven and Mao. Do some have ideology I don't agree with? Yes, they do. Are some trying to push their personal agendas? Yes, they are.

But for the most part, they are unified against the 'establishment' - which is precisely what the article above states.

I'm with Karl and Dylan on this one. We need to participate in order to get everyone to find COMMON GROUND. And that IS: Stop the Looting & Start Prosecuting.

No matter what political ideology they espouse, I have gotten concurrence across the board on this. It is precisely the common ground of STOP THE LOOTING & START PROSECUTING that has been proposed for our 'Occupy' event being planned here in Detroit - and guess what? The suggestion to have one here was originally started by some Detroit union members - but they AGREE WITH ME!

We will NOT win the battle against the pervasive capture of our government and the corruption in our financial system being divided.

So, stop clinging to the right/left paradigm. Let it go already.

Did you not read Karl's Ticker today?
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=1....

Or Dylan's outstanding rant?
http://www.fedupusa.org/2011/10/occupy-w....

Or if you don't like any of those, try this one:
http://www.fedupusa.org/2011/10/left-and....

The media could be using this to take attention off Obama and find some other scape goat for what lies ahead.

Be careful folks.

I'm waiting for Obama to pull out his saddle and try to ride it, then the fun starts.

Protesting against Wall Street itself is pointless because:

1) They don't care. They are literally laughing at these people. Wall Street and the government are one in the same.
2) They are stealing from these people in ways 1/100,000 understand. The rest are clueless about ZIRP, inflation, taxation, etc.

If they want to gain my support, they should descend on the Federal Reserve building in DC and demand Bernanke's resignation. Everything else is bull****.

Getting the unions involved is also suspicious.

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If they want to gain my support, they should descend on the Federal Reserve building in DC and demand Bernanke's resignation. Everything else is bull****.

That's being planned too.

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Getting the unions involved is also suspicious.

I ****ing hate unions, but do you think they're not being assraped by bankers just as much as private sector workers?

COMMON ENEMY = COMMON GROUND.

FIND IT.

Unions are not your friend or my friend. Nothing they do benefits you. Nothing. Zero.

In fact, unions (particularly public sector) have done extraordinarily well. Barely a scratch on them.

The unions are trying to extract more money out of your pocket. Government = Wall Street = Public Sector Unions.

Private sector unions are only marginally better.

"So, stop clinging to the right/left paradigm"

It's not Democrats vs. Republicans, but it IS Left Vs. Right. The are MANY Leftists Republicans, and next to no Rightist Democrats.
Small government-Right
Big Government-Left
Anarchy-Far Right
Totalitarian Statism-Far Left.
Fascists-Far Left, They did not teach you that in school, did they?




"So, stop clinging to the right/left paradigm"....That's what Marx and Goebbels wanted you to think, that's what the folks that are leading us into a one world government want you to say.

**** THE LEFT! JFK and Scoop Jackson were great men! They were Democrats, but not Leftists. Get it now?

I'm not a fan of the unions, but let's not forget how badly they got ****ed by those fake AAA securities ratings. I'm not about to say they're my ally, because they're trying to **** the rest of us over to make up for getting ****ed over by the banking system, but they have just as much reason to be out there as anyone else.

"It has started. Where will you be? We are not the tea party conglomerate working for the rich.... We are the 99%"

http://directdemocracynow.com/component/....

Go back and read your history ... TPTB will always try to co-opt a populist movement.

See:

1990's: Ross Perot nearly won the presidency ( he was ahead in early polls until he lost his nerve and went wacko ) running a populist campaign against NAFTA and the national debt. Clinton successfully co-opted his message by running as a "change agent". End result? NAFTA, GATT, repeal of Glass-Steagall.

1900's: Teddy Roosevelt ran as a populist "Bull Moose" and took on the trusts. He was perhaps our last President who wasn't a stooge of the financiers. But in 1912 we got Woodrow Wilson, who hated Roosevelt but was able to get enough of his voters to get into office. Wilson gave us the Federal Reserve and the League of Nations (early precursor to the UN.)

1960's: Nixon co-opts the anti-Vietnam war movement by promising to get us out in his 1968 election campaign. He lied. He also took us off the gold standard and gave us the EPA.

The fact that all of these failed does NOT mean we shouldn't support a genuine populist movement. Right now it is too early to tell where the OWS is headed.
The winds of change are blowing, and if you were expecting to see the pigmen go down without it getting "messy", you are delusional.

My heart is with these people, and to those of you who are making fun of them, would you prefer that they stay home and become good little corporate tools?

Lets hope for the best ... somebody just needs to educate the commies in the crowd that Marxism isn't the answer.

TPTB STARTED this movement! The Useful Idiots just jumped on board. TPTB have not co-opted ****! If it changes to "Stop the looting and start the prosecuting" It will be YOU who co-opted it.
http://october2011.org/organizations

Using this movement as a distraction from the failed Obama presidency is definitely in the playbook.

However, dismissing all of the protesters as commies and leftists plays right into that.

Events need to unfold and I find it hard to believe that the man who put Tim Geithner and Larry Summers in his cabinet will be able to run as a "populist".

More likely he will use them as a prop, i.e. "see how moderate I really am? I'm not crazy like those radicals in NY."

Obama will say "I stand WITH the protesters in New York"

GREAT posts and points, Pika-Steph.

People, please please PLEASE listen to what she's saying. For REAL change to take place we MUST find that common ground as she says. OK, unions suck, but this is NOT just about unions by a long shot. It's by far and away the most diverse demonstrations we've had through this mess. We allowed the Tea Party to be co-opted so let's not allow it to happen again.

Thank you, Steph, for so often being the adult.

By the way, watched the news tonight and saw this story:

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WE ARE THE 1%' signs a flip jab at 'Occupy Chicago' movement

by Elliott Ramos | Oct. 05, 2011

Early Tuesday morning, signs were posted at the Chicago Board of Trade Building to a series of windows that appear to be a flip rebuke to the nascent “Occupy Chicago” protesters camped outside: “WE ARE THE 1%.”

The message was a clear jab at the protesters who have occupied the corner of Jackson Boulevard and LaSalle Street for over a week, demonstrating in solidarity with the New York movement “Occupy Wall Street.” Both are generally against corporate greed.

The photos first surfaced last night on Occupy Chicago’s Facebook page, which was created Sept. 22. The group has since been camped out in modest numbers in front of the Chicago Federal Reserve Building on LaSalle Street.

The message was crafted to be a knock at the group’s signs and fliers, which carried the message “WE ARE THE 99%” – a reference to President Barack Obama’s language regarding wealth disparity in the U.S.

The Chicago Board of Trade Building houses many tenants. The most prominent of which is the CME Group, which owns and operates derivatives and future exchanges.

“There were some signs posted by a tenant of 141 W. Jackson, not by CME Group,” said Laurie Bischel, a spokesperson for CME Group.

Comment from the Chicago Board of Trade Building, which according to their website is managed by C-B-T Corporation, was not immediately available.

The signs, as of Wednesday afternoon were no longer there.

Ask the following questions to these idiots:

1) Did you support TARP?
2) Did your elected official vote for TARP?
3) Did you vote to re-elect your elected official?

That's all you need to know.

This is definitely a radical leftist movement. I was just watching a video from the Baltimore protests and there were "People's Congress" representatives all over the place. That should tell you all you need to know.

Common ground? I don't think any Jews should be put into ovens, Hitler thinks 6 million should be put into ovens, so what's common ground? Stuff 3 million Jews into ovens?

Corn1945, you're not incorrect but, c'mon, we need to be wise on our own behalf here. So you don't like the make-up CHANGE IT. GET people who think like you and participate!

Not part of the solution, etc etc.

When I hear "Bernanke must go!" and "Down with the Federal Reserve!" and "Obama must go!" and "Vote third party!", I will lend my support.

I hear none of that. Instead I see idiots begging for bigger government ("Medicare for all!") while being maced in the face by the government.

The bankers are going to eat these clowns alive.

NY Daily News reporting mass arrests ongoing now, cops using pepper-spray on crowds. Cops on horseback.http://live.nydailynews.com/Event/Occupy....

Chicago protest at the Fed:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local....

Seattle arrests: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/O....

That'll work.

"Occupy Wall Street ‘Stands In Solidarity’ With Obama Front Group

Why is the official OWS website in league with lobbying fronts for the Wall Street-backed Obama White House?

Fears expressed by some that the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement is being hijacked by the Democratic Party establishment have intensified after the official OWS website announced that it “stands in solidarity” with MoveOn.org, a lobbying group for the Wall Street-backed Obama administration."

Read more: http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-stre....

The so-called 'right wing' can kiss my ass. The comments on Steph's FedUp FB page are enough to make me puke. People saying 'good' that fellow Americans got arrested, their rights violated. I swear to God, some of them don't do anything but watch FOX.

The banksters are laughing all the way to the bank on this one, like usual, because people hang on to their stupid ideas of left/right. Yeah, the progressives are commies and the GOP are morons.

Reality check. BOTH ****ING PARTIES ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN AND BOTH PARTIES ARE TO BLAME. IF YOU DON'T SEE THAT, KILL YOURSELF. (See vote tally for Glass-Steagall as just one example.)

Cheering on fellow Americans getting arrested by the police and having their Constitutional rights violated. When they kick your door in, I'll laugh my ass off. Oh, and I'm registered GOP and have been for years.

We're on our way to july 14 1789.

Time to head to the bunker.