"The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice; you have owners. They own you. They own everything." - George Carlin
Bohemian
Posts: 9658
Incept: 2010-07-27
California
CalFireNews Cal Fire News The #LAPD is officially lying to the press denying PC 409.5 is law and kicking them out #Shame #OccupyLA (live at ustre.am/EqY3)
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"The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice; you have owners. They own you. They own everything." - George Carlin
What's up with the cops in the white suits??? Like haz-mat or something.
Yes.
Conditions at the encampment, especially after the last few rain storms has degraded to below squalid. There were many sick people passed out unconscious in tents that I observed. Some tents were actual toilets (actually). The stench in the encampment was horrid in some areas. There are several people there with airborne transmissible diseases in very close proximity to others in very unsanitary conditions.
It really strikes one, when witnessing it, that so many people are willing to live in such conditions. That in itself makes a sad commentary on what the country is becoming, that this kind of thing is starting to overshadow the general standard of living. Sad indeed on so many levels.
The problem as I see it is the totalitarian regime style force in use. Pay close attention, this is warm up to it's use against citizens for anything and everything TPTB decide you're in violation of before long. Even tonight, they are making up the laws as it suits them. Right now, in real-time. You don't even need to wait for the future.
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Oh to be a bail bondsman tonight. KA-CHING!!!
There are several bail bond companies out there tonight. One is a guy riding around on a Segway scooter, he looks like a mafia boss.
For those of you who will read all this tomorrow or in subsequent days, I urge you to view images of this invasion force. You will be truly astonished at the immensity of it. One thing the protesters have accomplished with clarity is to demonstrate the overwhelming force (in lieu of violence) the 'authorities' will use against the people to put an end anything they wish.
There was no violence by either the protesters or police and few arrests (6-10). The situation was tense but peaceful... the Central Federal Government has accomplished returning order to society and foliage.
The grass and trees will be returned to a beautiful condition. Just like in North Korea, which has some of the most orderly and gorgeous state gardens in the world.
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
The OccupyLA 'media team' has set up on long tables on the sidewalk on the Police Headquarters side of 1st Street with about 6 laptops busy uploading videos and filing stories with a backdrop of military march lines with 100's of police as the background.
About 100 protesters have regrouped and started to march southward out of the area now with 100's of police on foot and dozens on motorcycles in hot pursuit. Police have moved in with a heavy duty Catapillar construction motorcrane to remove protesters from the trees.
UStreamer believes police are trying to get into position to 'kettle' the protest marchers on the move, now East of Little Tokyo Train stop.
March may be doubling back now to Union Station, which was a predetermine post-raid meeting point decided upon days ago. No doubt hoards of police will be there awaiting. Another predetermined meeting point is at 535 N. Main St. a church that is offering sanctuary. UStreamer just arrived to find 15-20 tents already setup at this location and many Occupiers relocated here. This may be the new focal point for the remaining hard core survivalists of the raid.
Tomorrows news may be coming from this location. Time will tell.
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
Madras
Posts: 383
Incept: 2008-10-09
Philly 'burbs
From what I gather on Twitter, TV, etc...
It seems like there wasn't too much drama in Philly actually. Also hundreds and hundreds of cops, including units on bikes and horses. I am hearing about a few arrests. Four square blocks around City Hall are shut down right now to vehicles (including subway and buses) but not to pedestrians. Subway stations under city hall closed and Dilworth Plaza itself are off limits though.
Their deadline was Sunday at 5 pm (61 hours ago as I write this) and since then a lot of people had left on their own, the people left didn't have the numbers or the heart to stage a sit in or really resist. They just up and left on the 3rd warning and started some spontaneous marches (groups of up to 100 people or so) around the immediate area and the police *mostly* just let them do it. One person got hurt when a police horse got spooked and stepped on her. A few officers were injured too. On TV now, there are still protestors and police mingling around on the sidewalk and the media is in there too. One protestor is standing right there across the street at 15th & Market) flying the Gadsden flag with cops and other protestors wandering around. Haven't heard that cops tried to restrict the media (doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I've heard no reports of that yet).
It's strangely basically a non-event here.
I am glad... what was left of Occupy Philly wasn't much to root for. I am hoping now that all the drama of the "encampment" is a thing of the past, people can focus on some actual issues.
Edit to add: I have never gotten the feeling the city/police were hostile to the occupation here. They needed them to move from Dilworth for the construction project. They wouldn't give them another 24x7 permit elsewhere, I am thinking mostly because the camp was basically an unholy mess. But not because they wanted to "suppress" anything. Just my feeling after watching this closely for 2 months and being down there myself a few times.
There are reports from Occupy Philly that protestors were "beaten and choked" by police. Have to investigate that. I honestly don't give the folks reporting that much weight because the faction running that website tend to love flowery romantic revolutionary rhetoric and make mountains out of molehills. It could have happened but I don't believe their reports any more than I believe Fox News at this point. There are some YouTube videos I havent watched yet, so we shall see.
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The fact that you have not yet personally seen the wheels come off the bus does not confirm the presence of lug nuts.
Occupy Texarkana will be holding a demonstration in solidarity with Occupy Dallas and the Occupy Wall Street movement as a whole on Wednesday, November 30th, 2011 from 7 a.m.-5 p.m. at the downtown Post Office in Texarkana.
This demonstration coincides with a general strike called for by the General Assembly of Occupy Dallas to protest unfair and abusive practices by corporations on both an individual and a governmental level, and the General Assembly of Occupy Texarkana joins in issuing this call and invites all who support the movement to participate throughout the day.
Literature will be available, and it is the hope of Occupy Texarkana to perhaps change perspectives regarding the Occupy Wall Street movement. Everyone is invited to participate, make their voices heard, or just to listen and learn what the movement is about.
Occupy Texarkana is committed to a peaceful demonstration and preemptively disavows any attempt to subjugate the message with violence or other inappropriate or illegal action. Proper permits have been obtained from both states and from the federal government.
One of these days the police will attack a group of peaceful protestors like this... and someone will take advantage of their absence to torch a few police stations.
Priscilla Grim -- co-editor of "The Occupied Wall Street Journal" -- tells us, Miley’s music video tribute “rocks" in spirit ... but she doubts the singer has the cojones to actually hit the streets.
Priscilla tells us, “I double dog dare [her] to fight on the front line of economic civil rights at LA City Hall" -- adding, "Revolutionaries occupy, Ms. Cyrus."
Estimates of police force strength have now risen to nearly 2000 officers in total, 1400 from the Los Angeles Police Department exclusively and additionally including Los Angeles County Sheriffs, other agencies and law enforcement supportive personnel bringing this eviction to the defacto military division theater scale operation. Arrest totals have increased to over 200 protesters.
This morning, the tents that were initially erected at the church in the Olvera Street district after 3:00am were nowhere to be seen leading me to speculate at this point these protesters were also inclusive in the arrest total.
I toured the Los Angeles City Hall grounds this morning. The entire area is fenced off with 'K' rail topped with hurricane fencing. Inside, a fleet of Department of Sanitation trucks are working furiously removing tons upon tons of debris and garbage strew as far as the eye can see. ALL of the sanitation crews are wearing hazmat gear and they are all but sure there is a alot of potential meningitis risk among the refuse.
The pace of cleanup work is speedy and it appears the entire area will be raked clean by early afternoon. News crews remain on the opposite side of 1st street this morning doing pickup reporting about the culmination of the largest last standing Occupy encampment in the U.S.
The voices have been quieted for now.
The authorities are all patting themselves on the back in self-congratulatory praise of a job well done to every media outlet THEY can now find for themselves.
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
Occupy Atlanta has repeatedly run into hurdles, as it has been evicted from Woodruff Park in Atlanta multiple times by the city’s unsympathetic mayor, Kasim Reed. Yet the group was invigorated yesterday as it moved to a new location to take action for economic justice.
Last week, Tawanna Rorey’s husband, a police officer based in Gwinnett County, e-mailed Occupy Atlanta to explain that his home was going to be foreclosed on and his family was in danger of being evicted on Monday. So within a few hours Occupy Atlanta developed an action plan to move to Snellville, Georgia on Monday to stop the foreclosure. At least two dozen protesters encamped on the family’s lawn, to the applause of neighbors and bystanders:
Nearly two dozen protesters assembled Monday afternoon at Tawanna Rorey’s four-bedroom home in a neighborhood just south of Snellville, clogging the narrow, winding street that runs in front of the house with cars, vans and TV trucks. Many neighbors stopped to gawk at the spectacle and even honked their car horns in support of the crowd. [...] [The protesters] set up two tents in the front yard, draped a “This Home is Occupied” sign over the porch railing and handed out bottled water and granola bars to other members.
A local CBS station filed a report about the new occupation. Watch it:
In a speech at MIT last night to discuss the packed sweepstakes to build a tech campus in New York City, Mayor Bloomberg said he prefers City Hall to the White House. Almost immediately after Mayor Bloomberg dampened recent speculation he’s eyeing a White House bid, he added fuel to the fire by explaining why a mayor would be the best person for the job.
Mayor Bloomberg’s recent criticism of President Obama for allowing the debt reduction Supercommittee to fail led many political tea leaf watchers to believe he’s eyeing a potential White House bid. To the dismay of those who hope he’ll mount presidential campaign, Mayor Bloomberg began his speech last night by discussing why City Hall is just fine by him.
“I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world. I have my own State Department, much to Foggy Bottom’s annoyance. We have the United Nations in New York, and so we have an entree into the diplomatic world that Washington does not have,” Mayor Bloomberg said.
At first, Mayor Bloomberg sounded he was outlining why three terms as mayor was enough experience in public office for him, but he quickly switched gears and began characterizing City Hall as the perfect preparation for the White House because it allowed him to buck the Beltway establishment get real on-the-ground knowledge.
“I don’t listen to Washington very much, which is something they’re not thrillled about,” Mayor Bloomberg said. “We have every kind of people from every part of the world and every kind of problem.”
Mayor Bloomberg explained that, unlike Washington politicians, mayors are people of action.
“The difference between my level of government and other levels of government is that action takes place at the city level,” Mayor Bloomberg said. “The cities and mayors are where you deal with crime, you deal with real immigration problems, you deal with health problems, you deal with picking up the garbage.”
You see, according to Mayor Bloomberg, he and his mayoral colleagues are focused on results. It’s the rest of the politicians who are screwing things up.
“At the state or federal level, that’s where the real problems are. You see it particularly in American government at the moment where they are just unable to do anything, and yet, the mayors of this country still have to deal with the real world,” said Mayor Bloomberg.
Mayor Bloomberg closed by expressing the desire for someone with real, executive experience to arrive on the scene and change things in Washington.
“Unfortunately, people at the federal level or the state level typically spend their whole lives in politics, and they’ve never been an executive and it shows,” Mayor Bloomberg said.
Madras
Posts: 383
Incept: 2008-10-09
Philly 'burbs
The anarchist fringe group that runs Occupy Philly's facebook page and the occupyphillymedia web site having been tripping all over themselves all day with rabid cries of "police brutality" and claims of violence.
Thing is, there is (as of this moment) no video or still photography documenting anything more violent than a police horse accidentally stepping on a woman's foot. (This equals an "aggressive violent cavalry charge" according to Occupy Philly.) Video of the "horse charge" is here: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=844.... To me it looks like a combination of intentional police aggression and spooked horses. (The horse unit was only reactivated in August I think, so not too seasoned and probably a bad idea to even have them present.)
And you know there were folks with iPhones all over the place. (You can even see tons of people with iPhones recording video in the existing YouTube videos, LOL.) Yet magically, no overt brutality or violence was captured on video? Maybe some of the 50+ folks who got arrested have video evidence on their confiscated phones, and more info will come out later.
These Occupy Philly folks seem like they are just dying for their dramatic "Oakland Moment" complete with international headlines and it just didn't happen... in absence of real drama, it seems like they are determined to try to pretend stuff happened that really didn't. (And they keep deleting Facebook comments from most people who observe that their "police brutality" meme just isn't holding water.)
Some protestors (and police) got mildly tussled around when protestors tried to do ridiculous things like move and go beyond police barricades. Some protestors behaved badly, and a few police maybe momentarily lost their cool. But it looks to me like the police were extremely restrained and handled it really well, considering.
Their homespun media is as bad as Fox news for propaganda.
I'll keep an eye on what they're doing and if it looks like they want to talk about real issues again, I might go back. Right now they are just sadly ridiculous.
I would love to jump on the cop-hating bandwagon and join in all the DHS/federal repression conspiracy theories, but I just can't go there this time around. Not based on what I know about what happened in Philly last night, right now. (Believe me, I have had enough of my own unfortunate incidents with idiot self-important policemen to want to jump in with the haters.)
The city had the whole plaza cleaned out by this morning. 11 tons of "camp stuff" was collected and dumpstered.
They have lost a lot of public support from regular folks in the Philly area over the last couple weeks.
I hope this can move on to a "Phase 2" that is a little more productive and a little less romanticized and impractical. They definitely have gotten people's attention, but I'm not sure they knew what to do with that attention once they got it.
The idea that this is being coordinated by anyone with nefarious intent (Soros, etc., etc.) is hilarious to me right now. There is no plan whatsoever. They seem to me like a bunch of idealistic, disillusioned kids with dreams of being revolutionaries (and sorely lacking common sense).
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The fact that you have not yet personally seen the wheels come off the bus does not confirm the presence of lug nuts.
Jstanley01
Posts: 8182
Incept: 2008-07-30
San Antonio, Texas
Madras, check out...
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Fighting terrorism in New York City September 25, 2011 11:39 AM
Scott Pelley brings viewers on a personal tour conducted by Police Commissioner Ray Kelly of what may be the world's most sophisticated terror defense forces - the New York City Police Department's counter terrorism unit.
I saw one case of pretty overt police hostility watching local L.A. news last night. When the police first "stormed" out of City Hall there was a thuggish looking guy standing there taking pictures (but so was the "real" media, so I don't see what the distinction was).
A cop shoved the guy HARD and he fell down, almost down the stairs. It was totally unnecessary and overly rough. I don't think it rose to the level of brutality, but it was bad. The guy got up and started cussing at the cop, at which point a group of cops swarmed on him and brought him to the ground, where he proceeded to be an idiot and resist arrest until they finally got him handcuffed.
I want to touch upon one aspect of the OccupyLA eviction last night and specifically address the MAIN STREAM MEDIA's ACTIVE ROLE IN DEMOLISHING THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH AND INFORMATION.
This goes for ALL of you F*CKERS who FULLY PARTICIPATED IN AIDING and ABETTING a massive police state operation.
To Wit:
I stated earlier in the evening and earlier in this very thread that the police would likely employ a 'Trojan Horse' tactic to surprize and overwhelm the protesters, leaving them stunned and disoriented enough to role them up without much resistance.
That is exactly what they did.
One can argue that is their job, and so far as that goes they did it well, and prevented what may have an out of control situation resulting in many injuries and worse. On the other hand, effective police state regimes the world over maintain 'calm and traquility' through similar actions that are massively overarching and repressive on a persistent open ended basis.
What the press did last night was absolutely HIGH TREASON against the very Constitution that they are supposed to be the essential gatekeeper and guardian. RE-READ THE GODD*MNED THING YOU F*CKERS! (Oh, that's right, you NEVER did in the first place. You're only there to collect a PAYCHECK, *****s to those you jump high, oh... say HOW HIGH, ...for. Your corporate masters at General Electric. Murdock, etc. etc.... you KNOW... the hand you EAT.... crumbs.... from.)
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It states, in part: ...The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press,
When police boarded buses by the 1000's embarking on their way to the protest area, most surmized they where to be dropped off at perimeter areas to the encampment and stage for orders there. At the very beginning of what was represented to this action, the press suddenly announced they were 'cutting away' from aerial shots of the police-filled buses departing their starting point at Dodger Stadium.
They stated they were no longer broadcasting video of buses in-route 'to protect the integrity of the operation'. WITH A STRAIGHT FACE! Does NOT ONE of you understand the traitorous sewer (and nothing more) that your so-called media outlets become when you simply 'follow orders' of ANY standing regime? Does NOTHING set you apart from KCNA Central News Agency of Pyongyang!?!
OBVIOUSLY NOT!
What you concealed from the public WITH FULL ACTIVE PARTICIPATORY KNOWLEDGE was the fact that those buses off-loaded the police officers at a nearby location to City Hall that allowed them access to underground tunnels to gain entry the City Hall Building interior in a way fully detrimental to citizens (most being NOT Occupiers last night, BTW) who where there expressing their First Amendment Rights! Peacefully.
THIS MEANS, THAT YOU, REPRESENTING THE ESSENTIAL FOUNDATION TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, HAVE CONSCIOUSLY DESTROYED THAT SAME BASIS FOR WHICH YOU PLY YOUR VERY EXISTENCE.
It would be BAD ENOUGH if you were simply stupid and callous or even naive and untrained. No, what you have done here in L.A. and across the country consistently in 'coverage' of the Occupy evictions is betray each and every one of us that holds in our heart that somehow, SOMEDAY, our country will find it's way back to it's founding principals that made us great.
One this is for sure, YOU are NONE of what was once great, and EVERYTHING that is working to destroy everything we hold to be as our 'fundamental truth'.
Which you refuse to report.
There is one thing that is fitting for traitors like you in the main stream press and it starts with a wall... of which you are lined up in front of... and...
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
Madras
Posts: 383
Incept: 2008-10-09
Philly 'burbs
That is really disturbing, Videopro.
There was MSM all over Philly last night. (The "horse charge" video I posted up thread was from the local ABC station.) The farthest they sent the press away here was literally across the street from the plaza they had just shut down to everyone (at least to my knowledge). (However, the Occupiers did claim that their own "media representatives" were banned from the mayor's press conference this morning.)
Need to correct myself but too late to edit the original:
Madras wrote..
The city had the whole plaza cleaned out by this morning. 11 tons of "camp stuff" was collected and dumpstered.
I was wrong, it was 27 tons, not 11.
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The fact that you have not yet personally seen the wheels come off the bus does not confirm the presence of lug nuts.
Looks like they used regular ink so protesters would scrub that off since they knew something was drawn on their hands but later when they returned the hidden UV light would show it.
Montreal police borrow tactic from club bouncers to stop protesters from returning to public square
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Occupy protesters in Montreal were dismayed to find they had been marked by police with a special ink that is only visible in UV light after being arrested during a raid of Victoria Square Friday.
Police told CTV Montreal they borrowed the technique from bouncers at clubs and bars and it is meant to mark protesters who might return to the square.
But they apparently weren’t so forthcoming with at least one protester.
“They wrote on my hand with a permanent marker and then after I felt something pointy and metallic scraping across my skin,” wrote protester Nina Haigh on Facebook, continuing:
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I immediately asked “What are you doing” and they simply said we wrote on you with a pen and showed me a bunch of various pens in her hand.
I didn’t argue about it and I was unable to look at my hands as they were tied behind my back with zipties. As soon as I was released I looked at my hands and there was no ink on them from a pen. …
This morning we tested my hands under a black light and sure enough there was a number 2! The freaky thing is this is IN my skin, washing my hands and scrubbing with abrasives will not get this off…. perhaps in several months of my skin cells renewing themselves if will eventually fade.
What ever ink that is in there is irritating my skin slightly and its a very terrible feeling that they put a substance in my body with out my consent and then later lied about it.
Here’s the picture of Haigh’s hand under normal light:
The picture of her hands under UV light is at the top of this post.
I’ve asked the Montreal police for comment on all this, and I’ll update this post if I hear back.
There are reports of police using invisible ink to mark objects as part of campaigns against burglary and underage drinking. But this seems to be the first time UV ink has been used to mark people during the Occupy movement. Have any experience with this ink? Email me.
UPDATE: So what did being marked with the UV ink feel like?
“It felt very similar to some one drawing on you with a nail,” Haigh tells me. “It really wasn’t a pleasant feeling and I passed a good 24 hours wondering what they had done to me before my friends and I figured it out. I did get a rash from the ink for a few days and my hand was rather sensitive.”
She adds the marking faded after four days, “but I still feel my body was violated.”
UPDATE II: This tattoo website suggests that UV ink has a history of health risks.
There were times in history when fascist regimes loved to etch numbers on peoples bodies for identification purposes.
Kinda like this:
AND THEY ARE DOING THIS AGAIN KNOWING MOST OF YOU ARE TOO YOUNG OR STUPID TO LEARN A F*CKING THING FROM HISTORY! LITTLE BY LITTLE... LITTLE BY LITTLE... THE NOOSE TIGHTENS AND EVERYONE JUST SAYS 'OH, ISN'T THAT INTERESTING!
AND WORSE YET, THEY DO THIS EITHER WITH THE FULL FORE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY ARE EMULATING AND/OR ON PURPOSE DRAWING FROM HISTORY IN ORDER TO REPEAT IT!
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
From my twitter.... #dinnerwithbarack <-- that hashtag was actually a contest Obama campaign put on..has since been taken over and occupied by protesters. lol
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Dinner with Obama Protest in NY. 'Frozen Zone' declared at NYU.
Garbage trucks blocking Obama protesters
Police manning barriers around Obama fundraiser
Protesters marching through the streets to Obama fundraiser
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