http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPjxeyG-Z....

Well that's fun. Hopefully that crazy general ain't got no backing from anyone.

But since Iran's oil is vital to the Chinese economy and China said in the past that any attack on the Chinese economy (oil) would be an act of war against China, this can't be good.

And if you think that China needs the USA, think again. Back in the 20s, the Japs and the Americans said the same thing ``war is impossible between Japan and the US because of the economy``...

The Chinese also said an attack on Pakistan would be an attack on China.

All that's left is to get a mutual defense agreement between Pakistan and Iran, set off some big terrorist events in India, and bang, Asia's overpopulation problem is solved.

Watch the four parts of this video about the alliances that led the European elite in 1914 to WWI:

American Unemployment solved aswell. If the CIA was smart it would be instigating a conflict between India and China to stop the Rise of both nations.

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And if you think that China needs the USA, think again.

They need the food we export to them, and they need us to keep buying their cheap crap to keep their populace employed and subdued.

Lose either and that place burns.

I would think in event of war that Russia could export food to China.

Ape_ and why on earth would we want to stop our ally India's economic gains?

So China says.

Facts are a bit different. If WWIII were to break out they could really **** us up, but they'd be almost depopulated in response.

I'd say if we were hit with the full brunt of the Chinese nuclear arsenal we'd also end up largley depopulated after a year or so due to the large amount of infrastructure damage. Modern America just isn't structured to get back up after a blow like that, IMO.

Propaganda and nothing else. China has no ability to project meaningful non-nuclear force. They'd have trouble with Vietnam, let alone something like the U.S. Navy.

Not to mention they'd run out of fuel half-way to the battle.

uh-huh

time to fortify some beachheads in the pacific for the coming chinese scourge ?

so long hawaii it was nice to have known you

China or anybody else has no ability to defeat the United States in a conventional military conflict. Damage could be inflicted of course but not defeat. I always get a kick out of people (usually politicians) who try to frame the United States as being very vulnerable militarily and want to continue to ramp the defense budget (saying we are invulnerable economically through action). In reality, it's the exact opposite.

The United States' military budget accounts for 40% of global arms spending and is six times larger than the military budget of China. The United States and its allies account for 75 cents out of every dollar of global military spending.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_bu....

The battle fleet tonnage of the United States Navy is greater than that of the next 13 navies combined. The United States has 11 aircraft carriers; the next anybody else has is 2, and both of those countries (Spain and Italy) are allies. China has 1 under construction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air....

Who in the hell can compete with, much less defeat, the United States militarily? We are going to blow ourselves up, not anybody else.

What most Americans fail to realize is that the battle is not being fought militarily, but economically. China realizes that if it is going to topple the US, it is going to have to outcompete on economics. Since military power ultimately tracks economic power, I think China understands the game a lot better than most think. China's path to economic dominance is well under way. First, they became the leading manufacturer in 2010 or 2011. Soon enough they will pass the US in GDP. Soon after that comes the military dominance. Could take a decade or two, but that is the current trajectory.

What about this book

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricte....

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Weaknesses of the United States

The book argues that the primary weakness of the United States in military matters is that the US views revolution in military thought solely in terms of technology. The book further argues that to the US, military doctrine evolves because new technology allows new capabilities. As such, the book argues that the United States does not consider the wider picture of military strategy, which includes legal and economic factors. The book proceeds to argue that the United States is vulnerable to attack along these lines.

China had the best navy in world during the early 15th century, but they disbanded it and haven't had a naval tradition ever since. Brilliant!

Chinese treasure ships: http://asianhistory.about.com/od/china/a....

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As such, the book argues that the United States does not consider the wider picture of military strategy, which includes legal and economic factors. The book proceeds to argue that the United States is vulnerable to attack along these lines.

Exactly. It is like focusing on the carriage instead of the horse that pulls it.

The Israelis were developing a bioweapon that only kills people with some arab genetic markers. It's called an ethnic bomb. The apartheid South Africans were working on one too I believe. I wouldn't be surprised it China doesn't have one that kills white people.

Very old article http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1....

Cyberwar and ASATs. We have quite a few chinks in our armor.

^^lolz^^ chink in our armor.

HAHAHAHA

Nice catch Attila...

Yea whatever. What happens if we just decide to say we will not pay foreign bond holders. We detonate but so does everyone else.

Game over. What happens to china's mercantile economy if that happens?

Yea exactly.

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Yea whatever. What happens if we just decide to say we will not pay foreign bond holders. We detonate but so does everyone else.

Game over. What happens to china's mercantile economy if that happens?

Yea exactly.

And who you think will be able to rebuild faster? A democracy where everyone is divided or a dictatorship? Yeah....

Vitchilo

It depends on how strongly people are united around their leader. How well did Mao's "Great Leap Forward" work?

Interesting. I was just listening to this book http://www.fourthturning.com/

the authors did an interview just after 9/11 ( 2002 i think) in which they were talking about the possibility of the initial response in Afghanistan going sideways and how, if the US agenda in the Middle East were delayed/defeated in the Middle East how the US response would be most likely pulling a turtle head back into the shell and sealing up the borders.

The side effect of this insular policy would be a greater settling period in the future -- perhaps the US vs the Islamic World or Perhaps the US vs China.

Now, if the Chinese and Arabs are teaming up, well, yeah that would be a problem because then the Chinese fuel problem is solved and they have a billion Chinamen and all the gas they can carry.

The US won WWII because we buried German and Japan with material (which we gladly gave to the Russians as well). We relatively quickly went from producing refrigerators and cars to producing tanks and airplanes. How hard would it be for China to start churning out war material with their infrastructure?

the good news is that the Canadians have oil and while Obama is doing a great job of*****ing off the Canucks with the delays in the Keystone XL Pipeline, I suspect if WWIII starts we will have Canada standing with us...that is unless the Chinese get to them first with their preemptive economic strikes! http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011....

Canada Will Sell Oil To China If US Keeps Delaying The Pipeline

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011....

Chalk up another victor for Team Obama. I don't think anyone else could destroy America faster if they tried.

No one mentioned NATO...interesting...if NATO joined how much tonage would that be...I say raise tariffs on China..and ask them how they like that...who needs their crap anyway,,,sick of seeing on everything I pick up and yes I will be glad to pay higher prices...I have had a number of chinese friends, all were very nice,,,I have issues with the cut throat govt...

what is china going to rebuild with when most of their current economy has no buyer ?

are they just going to kill another 60M people ?