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Genesis
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The pursuit of uranium-based nuclear power is PROOF of dual-use intent.
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What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Iamedwardteach
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Incept: 2011-09-18
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That is the part that has always bothered me. The Russians have spent a lot of time end energy to help the Iranians build and start that reactor. Why? My cynical side is plausible deniability. Why? Perhaps they have already sold Iran the BOMB.
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Avianphlu
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lumpor why so defensive instead of open minded? agenda much? lmfao can see right through you..give me a freaking break
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1lumpor2
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 I just have a low tolerance for bull****.
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Avianphlu
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Quote: I just have a low tolerance for bull****. prove it |
Jeffrey_thomason
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http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/new....Quote:
Iranian military experts are active in the Gaza Strip and in Sinai, according to a high-ranking official in Jerusalem. The official said the Iranians entered the areas via Sudan and Egypt, and added that some of the rocket-launching systems in Gaza were manufactured under Iranian supervision.
The senior source also claimed that Islamic Jihad continued to fire rockets at Israel even after the recent cease-fire was announced because the Iranians pressured that organization, and the popular resistance groups, to continue acting against Israel.
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1lumpor2
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http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php....Senior MP Urges World Powers to Recognize Iran's N. Capabilities TEHRAN (FNA)- The world powers will sustain heavy losses if they refuse to recognize Iran's nuclear capabilities, a senior Iranian legislator underscored. Speaking to the Islamic republic news agency on Sunday, Parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi lauded the achievements of young Iranian experts to independently produce the required fuel for the country's nuclear power plants and the installation of 20-percent nuclear fuel plates at the Tehran Research Reactor to produce radio-medicine for the treatment of 800,000 patients without any assistance from the US and its allies. "The key message of such measures and achievements is that the Islamic Republic of Iran has fully mastered the nuclear know-how and unless the Group 5+1 (Britain, China, France, Russia, the US plus Germany) recognizes the reality of Iran's nuclear capabilities, they will incur losses," he stated.
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Muscleknight
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The way I read the above is Iran already has usuable nuclear weapons.
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1lumpor2
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"The key message of such measures and achievements is that the Islamic Republic of Iran has fully mastered the nuclear know-how"
They love saying cryptic **** like that.
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Kyrieeleison
Posts: 58
Incept: 2008-04-16
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Yeah, "nuclear know-how" leaves a lot of room for interpretation given the threat elaborated in their message. What's weird to me is that it's not just a threat against the US and Isreal, but the G5+1 nations. Would Iran really make China and Russia "incur losses?" Losses of what exactly?
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Joe-bob
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Ape_lincoln
Posts: 764
Incept: 2011-08-04
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I wonder if Russia draws the line. I mean, ever since Serbia in 1998 they have always been pushed further and further. As an allie, they have not successful stopped a single NATO intervention since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Russia is flush with energy cash and its armed forces are certainly have been born again. Gone is conscription and 1950's doctrine.
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1lumpor2
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I see Russia, China and Iran all ganging up on Israel soon. And the US sitting back and watching it happen. We'll try to keep the oil moving through the gulf, but that's it.
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Enapa
Posts: 1165
Incept: 2008-01-25
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Im not religious in any way but isnt there something in the bible about israel being invaded/attacked whatever from the North?
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1lumpor2
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"And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand, and I heard the number of them." -Rev 9:16
They come from the east over the Euphrates river, from the direction of Iran and China.
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Uncleoxidant
Posts: 2200
Incept: 2007-07-10
Stumptown
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Quote:Im not religious in any way but isnt there something in the bible about israel being invaded/attacked whatever from the North? This is the very descriptive passage that gets referred to a lot in this context: Quote:
<< Ezekiel 38 >>
New International Version 1984
A Prophecy Against Gog
1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of (a - see below) Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of (b) Meshech and Tubal. 4I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5Persia, Cushc and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.
7“‘Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.
10“‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land.” 13Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages (d) will say to you, “Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?”’
14“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.
17“‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel? At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
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a 2 Or the prince of Rosh,
b 3 Or Gog, prince of Rosh,
c 5 That is, the upper Nile region
d 13 Or her strong lions
However, the part that doesn't seem to fit at this point is the part about Israel dwelling in safety and unprepared for war. Though some claim that the "unwalled villages" part is in fact the current state - most of their towns and villages in the Biblical times had literal walls built around them. Some people who read this apocolyptically claim that verse 13 refers to Britain and the US (they claim that Tarshish is Britain.
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4637
Incept: 2011-04-27
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Quote:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-de....
U.S. war game predicts Israeli strike on Iran will result in regional war, hundreds of Americans dead
A classified war simulation exercise held earlier this month by the United States estimated that a strike on Iran would lead to a regional war which could draw in the United States and leave hundreds of Americans dead, a New York Times report revealed on Monday night.
However, the report also stated that the simulation has raised fears among top American planners that it may be impossible to prevent American involvement in any escalating confrontation with Iran, the officials said. YA THINK??? You really needed war games for that?? What kind of numbskulls run the Pentagon?? We knew that YEARS AGO. http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_03_20/689860....Quote:USS Abraham Lincoln enters Persian Gulf
Nuclear-powered USS Abraham Lincoln with its military escort has entered the Persian Gulf, after having passed through the Hormuz Straight, the US Navy press office says.The aircraft carrier is expected to replenish its stocks in one of the region’s ports.
A new strike group, led by the nuclear-powered supercarrier USS Enterprise is currently approaching the Strait of Gibraltar. The unit, which includes a guided missile cruiser and three missile destroyers, will be stationed in the Mediterranean and then redeployed to the Persian Gulf to counter Iran’s attacks in case of a military conflict. The USS Enterprise is expected to spend the most part of its seven-month Middle Eastern deployment as part of the US Fifth Fleet, based in Bahrain.
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Billy_ray_v
Posts: 1040
Incept: 2010-10-08
east of the rockies
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Iranian bourse begins trading in Tide to get those dirty nightshirts clean. Millions a day,...NOT to USALAND dollah hegemony won't be long. Priced in!! 
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Harrisonact
Posts: 1756
Incept: 2010-10-04
canada
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Nah, AK's are a better currency than tide. Remember, an AK gets rid of stubborn dirt (bags) with less effort than the best of tide.
Boys, we live in hilarious times if not for the possible return to the stone age. Ah, **** it, it's all in the name of adventure, right?
Did I read that right CENCOM is ordering 3 mofo size carriers to sail up and down what amount to a open culvert? FFS. Make me a Rear Admiral and I'll butt**** most of these morons into sensibility.
Edit: One more thing. I'm looking into taking a tourist type trip to Tehran this spring or summer, if I don't need my ice skates to get around. It's a vibrant city of 8 mil and if they grant Canadians tourist visas then I'll at least have a more interesting vacation than stumbling around some lame ass EU city. **** Greece, it's done. Eastern Europe & Romanis still annoy me and France still might not be happy with me from an old incident. I swear she looked 18 at at least. j/k. 16 minimum. j/k. don't get yer dicks in a knot.
A lot of the Persian girls are smoking' hot. Might be a trip of a lifetime. Gonna check POF and see if Iranian chicks post there with faces and real pics.
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My playbook speaks español. Deal with it. Im too lazy to fix it.
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Gollum
Posts: 756
Incept: 2011-07-31
Wyoming
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I think, at least hope, that if hostilities were close the carriers would all sail for the Arabian sea where they could still launch strikes bout wouldn't be bottled up. Of course the military has surprised me with their level of stupidity and incompetence before so who knows.
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Muscleknight
Posts: 3993
Incept: 2007-06-26
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I bet if war starts with Iran that North Korea attacks South Korea. We will have a lot of military assets tied down in the gulf area.
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1lumpor2
Posts: 2649
Incept: 2011-05-01
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And China just might decide nows a good time to take Taiwan back.
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Gollum
Posts: 756
Incept: 2011-07-31
Wyoming
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I too have thought that if China sees us tied up in an attack on their ally they may invade Taiwan.
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Joe-bob
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Incept: 2007-09-18
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http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/iran-p.... Quote:Russia warned Tuesday that Iran would have no option but to develop nuclear weapons if it came under attack from either the United States or Israel over its contested atomic programme. ...so the argument would go, a strike cannot work, as they'd definitely work towards a nuke from that point on, so it's either conquer the country or it won't be effective. As for the Biblical prophecy, the one thing we know for certain is that the invaders will be on horses, every one of them. So let's keep our eyes peeled for that. An army mounted on horses using large and small shields and armed with swords sounds like a serious threat to moden Isreal. A word or two giving a heads-up abut the AT3 Saggers wouldn't have gone amiss either but I guess god saw hordes of horsemen as the greater future threat.
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1lumpor2
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