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Drench
Posts: 28631
Incept: 2009-11-10
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It's probably time to pin an Iraq thread again. (Yup. That was fast.) Quote:"Al-Maliki is pushing my country to reach a turning point with deeply sectarian dimension," the Sunni vice president told CNN on Sunday during an interview in the semiautonomous Kurdish region in the north, where he has fled so that government forces loyal to the Shiite prime minister cannot execute an arrest warrant for him on charges of running a death squad.
He expressed concern that Americans "will face the same problem as they faced in 2003," when a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq, toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein and unleashing a wave of sectarian violence. http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/30/world/meas....
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4978
Incept: 2011-04-27
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Oh boy... http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Sadrists....Quote:Sadrists would back no confidence vote in Iraq PM
Influential Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr said on Wednesday that his parliamentary bloc would back a motion of no confidence in Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki if that gave it the support of a majority of MPs. Another civil war in Iraq in the coming months/years? Pro-Iran people taking over in Iraq?? This could get real bad real quick... not to mention give a reason for the warmongers in Washington DC to send back troops in Iraq... lots of money to be made AGAIN by the contractors.
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Jubber
Posts: 14629
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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This is a good move Maliki has been completely useless, all the other parties are in agreement he has to go. The oil and gas law, the key to Iraqi prosperity has still NOT been signed after three years.
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Rarnopp
Posts: 897
Incept: 2008-02-26
London, United Kingdom
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The existing state of Iraq - being composed of three mutually hostile groups with no tradition of civil society - has no natural equilibrium. A high proportion of the more educated people have left (there are 3.5-4.7m displaced people, who are disproportionately middle-class), and the economy is flatlining. Democracy in these conditions has been a disaster.
Saddam was a monster, but the Iraqi society which existed before the 1980s, when wars and then sanctions began to destroy it, seems like a lost paradise.
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"Things and actions are what they are, and the consequences of them will be what they will be: why then should we desire to be deceived?" - Bishop Joseph Butler
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Jubber
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Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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From what I hear the US is actually backing Sadr
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Rarnopp
Posts: 897
Incept: 2008-02-26
London, United Kingdom
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Politics makes strange bed-fellows.
A few years ago, when he was opposing the occupation, Moqtada al-Sadr was caricatured as pro-Iranian. Actually, by Iraqi Shi'a standards, he is quite nationalistic.
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"Things and actions are what they are, and the consequences of them will be what they will be: why then should we desire to be deceived?" - Bishop Joseph Butler
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Sean
Posts: 1789
Incept: 2009-04-21
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http://news.yahoo.com/82-killed-iraqs-de....82 killed in Iraq's deadliest day this year Quote:BAGHDAD (AP) — An onslaught of bombings and shootings killed 82 people across Iraq on Monday, officials said, in the nation's deadliest day so far this year
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* I think Ann Barnhardt is more and more right. God help us! * Progressives / Marxists / Communists are many things, STUPID and IMPATIENT are not two of them. * A hot civil war is coming. * And people wonder why I prep!
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Vitchilo
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Incept: 2011-04-27
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We hang the petty thieves and promote the great ones to office.
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Jeffrey_thomason
Posts: 7124
Incept: 2009-03-11
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Oh, since we're here: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Tu....Quote: Iraq on Thursday accused Turkey of interfering in its internal affairs after Turkey's foreign minister paid a surprise visit to a northern Iraqi city seen as a testing ground for whether Iraq's sectarian leaders can ever reach reconciliation.
Ahmet Davutoglu visited the city of Kirkuk, where an estimated 850,000 Kurds, Turkomen and Arabs uneasily co-exist — and that Iraqi Kurds hope to annex into their autonomous region. Turkey, Iran and Syria have long feared that Kurdish rule of Kirkuk would encourage separatist sentiment within their Kurdish minorities.
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"Until we look beyond the throne where the power structure lies, we'll fight amongst ourselves as freedom dies. The only hope for human kind lies in solidarity. The strength in our numbers sets us free."
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4978
Incept: 2011-04-27
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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Outside_....Quote:Outside View: Iraq headed toward civil war
The death sentence passed two weeks ago by Iraqi courts on Vice President of Iraq Tariq al-Hashemi is another milestone on that country's pathway to disaster and civil war. Ooops. They might need more democracy. Bomb them again and see if democracy spreads? If not, bomb them again harder? I'm sure it'll work then!
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We hang the petty thieves and promote the great ones to office.
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Landshark
Posts: 11659
Incept: 2008-02-07
The Wild West
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Yes! Freedom Bombs and Liberty Missiles!
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4978
Incept: 2011-04-27
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We hang the petty thieves and promote the great ones to office.
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Jduwaldt
Posts: 505
Incept: 2010-06-10
Orange County, CA
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Hey, but the Petro Dollar has been preserved! Right? err... RIGHT ??? Let's see, Iran has been cut off from the petro dollar system so it is getting payment for its oil sold to Turkey in gold and to the PRC in yuan... and I think it's reasonable to expect that both currencies will appreciate against the Dollar. Will someone please explain to me again how we're punishing them?  I guess my only compensation is the knowledge that Bush/McCain/Romney would have done something equally even more stupid. I wonder if Iraqi Freedom Part Deux would trigger worldwide dollar revulsion. It's getting to the point where I really couldn't blame the rest of the world if it did, and here I am stuck with no plans to leave the country (being too old and gamey to interest anyone, really). 
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Kamath
Posts: 1592
Incept: 2009-04-04
Sweden
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Yesterday, a Shia politician was murdered. Then today, we have this... http://www.svd.se/nyheter/utrikes/terror....A suicide bomber struck the funeral, killing 35 people and wounding 70. It seems to me that the initial killing was a plot to create a Shia gathering to then attack. How's that for sparking sectarian violence?
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Drench
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Incept: 2009-11-10
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Hiphopapotamus
Posts: 569
Incept: 2007-07-11
Burbank, CA
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Iraq has been like this for ten years now and the predicted civil war has yet to happen. Despite hating each other, just maybe people there deep down don't want one. BTW, I'm not saying I was right - I thought there'd have been a civil war by now, too.
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Rarnopp
Posts: 897
Incept: 2008-02-26
London, United Kingdom
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Tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of people are dead and 3.5-4 million have been internally displaced or fled the country. These include a large proportion of the educated classes and the Christian minority.
I think arguing whether what happened amounted to a civil war is just semantics - it has been a catastrophe.
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"Things and actions are what they are, and the consequences of them will be what they will be: why then should we desire to be deceived?" - Bishop Joseph Butler
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4978
Incept: 2011-04-27
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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/118_kill....Quote:118 killed in bloody two days for Iraq
A bloody two days of violence in Iraq left 118 people dead, with 99 of them killed in clashes and attacks involving security forces, protesters and their supporters, officials said on Wednesday.
More than 240 people were wounded in the same period, most of them in protest-related unrest, which prompted two Sunni ministers to quit and has sent tensions in the country soaring.
The violence, which began with clashes at a protest site in northern Iraq after security forces moved in, is the deadliest so far linked to demonstrations in Sunni areas that erupted more than four months ago.
Protesters have called for the resignation of Shiite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and railed against the alleged targeting of their community by the authorities.
The trouble began early on Tuesday when clashes broke out after security forces moved into an area near Hawijah in northern Iraq, where protests have been held since January.
The initial fighting killed 53 people, while a series of revenge attacks left another 27 dead on Tuesday, and 15 more were killed in apparently unrelated unrest.
Two Sunni ministers quit in the wake of the initial violence, bringing to four the number of Sunni cabinet members who have resigned since March 1. That's bad... From last week... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/....Quote:Assassinations Grow as Iraqi Elections Near
In the first Iraqi elections since the American troop withdrawal, Sunni candidates are being attacked and killed in greater numbers than in recent campaigns, raising concerns in Washington over Iraq’s political stability and the viability of a democratic system the United States has heavily invested in over years of war and diplomacy.
At least 15 candidates, all members of the minority Sunni community, have been assassinated — some apparently by political opponents, others by radical Sunni militants. Many others have been wounded or kidnapped or have received menacing text messages or phone calls demanding that they withdraw.
By going after members of their own sect, radical Sunnis aligned with Al Qaeda are effectively seeking to destabilize the Shiite-led government, making an already angry and alienated community fearful to participate in national governance. At the same time, it appears intra-Sunni rivalries are inadvertently aiding the radical cause, as Sunnis kill political adversaries in their quest for power.
In the latest surge of violence, more than 20 attacks around the country on Monday killed close to 50 people and wounded nearly 200. Two schools in Hilla that were to serve as polling sites were blown up by homemade bombs; no one was killed, but the explosions suggested that insurgents might be intent on attacking voters and not just candidates. Security officials in Hilla quickly declared a state of emergency, and said they had intelligence that militants were preparing to target more polling stations in the region. Great success... Quote:At least 10 Iraqi policemen and nine Sunni militants killed in Mosul clashes (Reuters)
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4978
Incept: 2011-04-27
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https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/mena/iraq-pm....Quote: Iraq PM points to Syria over deadly "sectarian" strife
Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki on Saturday pointed to the civil war in Syria for the return of sectarian strife to Iraq, as Kurdish forces deploying near a disputed northern city further raised tensions.
More than 215 people have been killed in five days of bloody violence that began with clashes between security forces and protesters in the north on Tuesday and have sent tensions soaring.
Sectarian strife "came back to Iraq, because it began in another place in this region," Maliki said in televised remarks, in an apparent reference to Syria.
Kurdish peshmerga security forces have deployed near the northern city of Kirkuk, part of a swathe of territory that the autonomous Kurdistan region wants to incorporate over Baghdad's strong objections.
"After consultations with the governor of Kirkuk, there has been a decision for peshmerga forces to fill the vacuums in general, and especially around the city of Kirkuk," Jabbar Yawar, secretary general of Iraqi Kurdistan's peshmerga ministry, said in a statement.
Yawar said the deployments were aimed at combating militants and protecting civilians, but a high-ranking Iraqi army officer said soldiers had been put on alert, and that "the army sees the move of the peshmerga as a [political] manoeuvre and not to fill any vacuum." Iraq on the verge of another civil war?
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We hang the petty thieves and promote the great ones to office.
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Antone
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Incept: 2008-02-03
Seditionia, USSA
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Quote:Iraq on the verge of another civil war? When did the last one end?
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Dogfarm
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Incept: 2007-11-29
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