The anti-smokers pick and choose their studies to fit their propaganda just like the Global Warming fanatics.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221013....

Excerpt from Health Benefits of Smoking Tobacco:

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Perhaps most shockingly, tobacco smoke's anti-inflammatory effects may actually provide some benefits to children who are exposed to secondhand smoke. While this is certainly not worth at-home experimentation, one astonishing study conducted in Sweden observed two generations of Swedish children and found that the children of smokers had lower rates of allergic rhinitis, allergic asthma, atopic eczema, and food allergies. The studied groups included 6909 adults and 4472 children, and the findings remained consistent, even when adjusted to reflect other variables.

That study will never see the light of day! LOL

Links to other benefits of smoking at the above link:


Smoking and Parkinson's and Alzheimer's Disease: Review of the Epidimiological Studies. Brain Behav. Res. 2000 Aug;113(1-2):117-20.

Nicotine Use in Schizophrenia: The Self-Medication Hypothesis. Neuroscience and Biobehavioral Reviews. Volume 29, Issue 6. 2005; 1021-1034

Nitric Oxide Mediates Therapeutic Effect of Nicotine in Ulcerative Colitis. Ailment Pharmacol Ther. 2000 Nov;14(11):1429-34.

Urinary Cotinine Concentration Confirms the Reduced Risk of Preeclampsia with Tobacco Exposure. Am J Obstet Gynecol 1999;181:1192-6

Cigarette Smoking Can Dramatically Affect Appetite and Weight Control. News-Medical.net. Monday, 1-Nov-2004.

FDA: Anti-smoking drugs can make you crazy. Los Angeles Times. July 1, 2009.


My personal opinion is if smoking bothers you then don't smoke. If you get some benefit from smoking then go ahead. Most smokers I know are very respectful of non-smokers. You see very little respect of non-smokers toward smokers though. They seem to love to lord their superiority over the non-smokers. In fact they can be some of the most downright rude and obnoxious people I've ever known.

Be careful not to mix smoking with the benefits of nicotine. Smoking is merely a drug delivery system for nicotine (a very efficient one, at that).

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The fastest way to get a drug to the brain is by smoking it. When a drug like tobacco smoke is taken into the lungs, nicotine (the addictive chemical in tobacco) seeps into lung blood where it can quickly travel to the brain. This fast delivery is one reason smoking cigarettes is so addicting.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/a....

I agree that government imposing controls is the wrong way to do it.
That said yes - smoking around your kids can be abuse.
I grew up constantly gasping for air and congested. I got every respiratory infection that made the rounds. I was taken to the doctor more times than I could count and spent not a few days in hospitals.
My parents refused to consider the idea both of them smoking might be one of the causes of my illness.
Is this any surprise? Do any of you know an addict that will admit their addiction is a problem? Of ANY substance.
Now that I am an adult I can choose not to be around smoke.
However I carry the scars on my lungs of endless hours hacking my guts up in the night. I have a school record that shows me absent weeks at a time. What do you think that did to my education?
Even as an adult I could not spend more than 20 minutes in my mother's house before I started wheezing and had to leave.
She died of lung cancer in pain. It spread all through her bones and body. She was shriveled and dried up like an old apple found in the back of the bin from last year. The last couple months she lived it finally dawned on her that - Golly, maybe two packs plus of Pall Malls a day wasn't such a good idea.
It also destroyed our potential relationship. The resentment for what they put me through was awful. They never did have any attitude but that I was a prissy wimp who was putting on an act - like I could wheeze on demand. Again - denying the evidence of your eyes is normal for addicts. I gave up saying anything once I understood the barrier of denial their need created.

So Bag now wants to extend that to a parents own personal home. We need cameras in your home to make sure your not smoking. Or what kids tell there school nurse dad smoked a cig in his office at the house. Yay Bags. Holy ****ing **** dude. Sorry Bags, but you are leaving a lot out of that story of the relationship with your parents. No, one and I mean no one, dissociates themselves with their parents due to a TOBACCO smoking habit. And if there is not more to the story, well, your story screams loudly of your character and quite frankly discredits you very opinions on most anything you say. You are trying to use some emotional appeal to put a gun to my head and tell me how to live and how I should raise any potential offspring I may have. Well **** YOU.

PS remember you wouldnt even be here to complain about your parents who by your own account did feed and shelter you and send you to school as a child, had Your mother decided to abort or not even have children. You are so backwards thinking. But hey, lets not let reality get in our way of your passionate, emotionally charged, illogical, Gestapo, freedom stealing, anti-constitutional, rant get in the way.

1. Look at me ImA Libertarian !
2. But I dont like ciggattees.
3. Lets Ban smoking in Cars! Its the libertarian thing to do!
4. wwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



1. Look at me ImA Libertarian !
2. But I dont like Blacks.
3. They disgust me and make me gag and want to puke. The stench is disgusting.
4. You have no right to lessen my enjoyment of X or cause me to puke. Stay the **** home
5. Lets Ban Blacks in Public! Its the libertarian thing to do!
6. wwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Spazz learn to read. "I agree that government imposing controls is the wrong way to do it." was the first thing I said. Does that sound like I want to impose anything?

I submit a lot of parents do vile things worthy of disassociating yourself.
Making you physically sick to be around is one.
I know a young woman who has parents who are con artists. Neither has ever worked a day and they move from eviction to eviction and live by passing bad checks and stealing people's identities. They have opened accounts many times in HER name and run up balances. Do you think respect extends to putting up with that?

I know another young woman who was sexually abused and emotionally abused all her time at home. Nobody ever intervened and she only escaped it by leaving home. How much respect does she owe her mother?

Lots of parents don't deserve another civil word from their kids.

And no Spazz my parents didn't voluntarily feed and shelter me. Lots of times - for years or months at a time they sent me off to live with my aunt and uncle because they couldn't be bothered to deal with having a child.
I remember once all we had to eat in the house was a huge jar of pickles. But they damn well had their cigarettes.
When I was about 11 I started making my own money and I had to go bury it away from the house or they would 'borrow' it. So I could walk up to the country store and buy something to eat after that.

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Pika:Actually, one should be mindful of where one puts cigarette butts. Those damn things don't ever break down.

I agree Pika, *totally* with your statement... As a "Surf" fisherman in addition to Pier fishing, I see MANY cig's tossed over the Pier rail.. even though I'm a "smoker", (full discloser: these F-in things are HARDER to quit than a CRACK Addiction), I would advise these people "please" dispose of your butts properly, and give a reason "WHY"...Yes i get dirty looks at times...
Or when i'm on the beach, Surf-Fishing, I would "put it out" and have a Bag I ALWAYS take w/me to put MY trash in , taking back w/me things like empty bait bag(s), drink can(s) etc, AND My Cig butts.. in addition, picking up ones I see..(and other trash/OLD fishing line, that other visitors would leave behind) or walking to get catch sand fleas, (Mole Crabs),for bait in the surf zone, i've seen times just down wind/stream from the Pier(s),(During the fall Fish runs), among the Seashells, Hundreds of butts, i do my best to pick-up what i see...
Leaving the area cleaner than when I arrived...
I cannot count the times I've cleaned a Big Spot or Mullet,On the beach or pier, and in it's stomach, (I do this to see what they are eating on to increase MY catch), I find a Cig butt in thier stomach's sometimes... They eat them thinking they are pieces of Shrimp or cut-bait, I dunno, but yes, fish eat'em too..
Again, stressing, I'm trying to quit... Though; Look out your car window at a curb on a Major intersection, you'll be surprized at how "many" butts you'll see... When some, get washed into the storm drain,during a rainstrom, especailly during a heavy rain(s), think where that storm drain goes... 99% of the time, into YOUR Local watershed, eg creeks & rivers.....
NO i'm NOT being a Envirowacko, just a good steward of the places I visit, leaving the area as I found it, or better than I found it..

now Staying on topic....
When My Daughters were still w/me back in 06/07 when Karl started this Forum.
I was with that "Crazy Woman", and WE were recieving "counsoling" from "Youth Villages", It was STRONGLY suggested that WE, Me and the then GF take our smoking out of the House, away from My daughters .....Or else, otherwise, the reports were NOT to be favorable, or recieve a "visit" rom DSS, (CPS) over "Our" smoking habit, (thank the Lord I didn't drink then hell would'of broken loose).....Which; in My case, I smoked outside anyway, to just "get out of the house', from Her.....Or while working in the Garden...
BOT though, it's getting way over the top, these rules I mean, some are ok & make common sense, others? Not so much....
Like smoking in the car w/kids, i'm "almost" in agreement, though NOT entirely so... I myself don't smoke around Genesis, in the Home or car,(Nor did i while having My Daughters in the car/vechile), He; (Genesis), don't like it much AT ALL..
In fact alot of ya'll will seem this is funny, but it's the truth...
I have to hide My pack of Cig's from Genesis, He'll take'em, hide them, bury them, or otherwise tear up a pack of smokes.... NOT eating them, just tearing them up...
Yeah, He's trying to "give Me the Message"......

Though in all this conversation, How's about "O"? does he "smoke" around His Daughter's? Would He like a visit from DSS/CPS, because of smoking around his kids? How's about in the Whithouse, does he sneak a puff in there? What would HE say/Do?

Yeah as much as I despise tobacco having the government limit it is as useful as Prohibition. They will just make a bad situation worse.

I'm actually kind of confused why people still smoke cigarets. I've smoked pipes, cigars, and used Swedish snus for years without developing a need to consume tobacco everyday(I used about once a week). Given the extremely high price, I think there must be something extra in cigarets that makes them especially addictive.

Fruity-Ass control freaks from CA must have sneaked into SD somehow.
They are now steering discussions and committees into the (get the digitalis)
Hazards of "third hand smoke".

The world has truly gone bizzarro ****o!

BRV

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I think we need a TF qualification IQ test.

You'd find a lot of disappointed people.... And a lot of ones that suddenly become unbearably egotistical.

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I think we need a TF qualification IQ test

I don't undertand this.

Rafter: To put it simply...

If you're too stupid, you shouldn't be posting here. :P

This is law just outrageously stupid

I think there is already a law like this in CA (unsurprisingly) that you can't smoke in your car if there is a child in it (I never did) but not being able to smoke in your car EVER— WTF?

Statism at its finest.

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I'm actually kind of confused why people still smoke cigarets.

Because it's an extremely effective delivery system of an amazing drug (nicotine).

I started smoking at 40, and have smoked about half the time in the couple of decades since. I don't find that the dozen or so I have each day make much difference in the way I either breathe or sing, but the nicotine is a very potent (if temporary) high.

And as for the expense, I've found that the very lightly-taxed "pipe" tobacco makes dandy cigs. A pound of the stuff will make about 500 of the little guys, and goes for about $25 bucks around these parts.

Somebody sent me an email - but their box is full. I wanted to be absolutely sure that the person saw this. Here was my reply:

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Sorry man, I was just joking... I certainly wasn't trying to offend anybody!

Sorry if you took it that way.

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And as for the expense, I've found that the very lightly-taxed "pipe" tobacco makes dandy cigs. A pound of the stuff will make about 500 of the little guys, and goes for about $25 bucks around these parts.

We've rolled our own for about 3 years now. We use only chemical-free pipe tobacco. If you want to know what it is about smoking that is bad for you, try rolling your own for 6 months and then going back to commercially-made, chemical-laced cigs. I did it. Once.

My sentiments exactly, Steph! Every once in a while somebody will give me a "store=bought". Incredible difference in what you taste and feel. We'll stick with the chemical free stuff, thanks.

Oooh no. I mean I took one hit of my old brand, Marlboro Lights, and passed out COLD! I mean literally. It was only for a few seconds, but the fact I was standing on a curb outside a hotel in Kentucky and that my skull missed the side of a wrought iron bench and the curb, was serious ****. For more than two hours afterwards I had the dry heaves. I would have been outright vomiting, but it was 6:30 in the morning and I hadn't eaten anything. I felt like **** pretty much all day. Ever since, no matter how much I want a cig, I will not EVER touch those commercial pieces of toxic crap ever again. That was the most profound and instantaneous reaction I have ever had to any substance in my life. (Well, except for when a hospital administered a Sulfa drug, to which I had an anaphalactic reaction and I was lucky to survive.)

Good grief! That's your body telling you something!

I generally have a full pack of home rolled with me, so seldom find myself wanting. The last time I ran out, I was on the golf course and my buddy offered me a Marlboro when he saw I was out. It was incredibly bad-tasting, but I didn't suffer anything like you describe. Made me feel nauseous, though. Funny how different the natural stuff is (even if you have to re-light them occasionally.)

Wait just a minute DAMMIT! Steph, WHEN were you in KY and didn't give me a shout? Jeez, people, I'm always up for a beer with a TF crewer. To this day I appreciate the hour or so Karl gave me on vacation near Destin, and I've not stopped smacking myself upside the head for FORGETTING TO GET THE PIC WITH THE MAN! Doh!

DAMNIT STEPH!!!!

Now I have to go out in the cold and smoke a cig.... THANKS!!! :P

How cold can it be in Tennessee?

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Tonight: Mostly clear, with a low around 13. West wind around 5 mph becoming calm.

It was 14 last night.

Damn. Michigan cold. I digress.