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Mayorquimby Posts: 13909 Incept: 2008-09-18 The Archaic Past	Krasting doesn't think so... http://brucekrasting.blogspot.com/2012/0.... ---------- They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey Gold is theft. 2012-03-14 18:56:56 Permalink
Genesis Posts: 130681 Incept: 2007-06-26	Neither do I. Incoming! ---------- I don't care* if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me* Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. *Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.* *What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?* 2012-03-14 19:02:08 From PDA Permalink
Nanna Posts: 5659 Incept: 2008-01-20 NY State	2 major chart levels in 2 days on TNX. A few days ago there was commentary about the biggest ETF money flows ... into GLD, HYG, JNK, LQD and a couple of others. While not yet confirmed, the price action on Treasuries and their subordinate trading partners is definitely notable. There might be a backandfill retest, but this is the first MAJOR sell in bonds I've seen in the markets for a couple of decades. As Gartman says sometimes (not usually lately at the right time) ... this is a seachange event. IMO we've seen the generational lows on yields, now, and primary trend has now reversed after 16 or so years. N/not investment advice, just a bold cocktail hour call ---------- "There are fluctuations in the market that don't mean anything."Ira Gluskin, February 14, 2012 2012-03-14 19:09:07 Permalink
Deepsee100 Posts: 1304 Incept: 2008-02-05 The Med	---------- Next 2012-03-14 19:16:30 Permalink
Asimov Posts: 103872 Incept: 2007-08-26 East Tennessee Eastern Time	Goldman also recommended shorting treasuries today. Between that and nanna, I find it rather hard to disagree. :P ---------- It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente. 2012-03-14 19:17:34 Permalink
Ape_lincoln Posts: 761 Incept: 2011-08-04 Ron Paul 2012	This is dangerous. We need those yield sub three and half pik to service debt and stimulate to prevent recessionary drop off. I am watching this closely.. every bps is alot more money needed to service debt. And you have a political enviroment that is starting to close in on the debt issue ---------- Last modified: 2012-03-14 19:53:17 by ape_lincoln 2012-03-14 19:50:03 From PDA Permalink
Themortgagedude Posts: 8843 Incept: 2007-12-17 saint louis Online	They lose the long bond and they lose housing. They can't afford to lose housing again. If they do they lose it all. Banks, stock market, pension funds. They will do whatever it takes to keep the plates spinning. It won't work forever but we're not done yet. ---------- I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth. 2012-03-14 20:16:48 Permalink
Genesis Posts: 130681 Incept: 2007-06-26	Heh heh heh.... ---------- I don't care* if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me* Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. *Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.* *What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?* 2012-03-14 20:20:34 Permalink
Pika-steph Posts: 54697 Incept: 2007-09-11 Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775	What Karl said +1. ---------- Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli 2012-03-14 20:25:15 Permalink
Lowbeyond Posts: 16866 Incept: 2008-02-11 CO aka West NJ/East CA	So crash the s and pees and flight to bonds? Where have we seen that b4? Lol ---------- Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?! 2012-03-14 20:27:41 From PDA Permalink
Sandor Posts: 1944 Incept: 2007-08-08 Deltaville,Virginia	What the Mortgagedude said +2 Last modified: 2012-03-14 20:46:03 by sandor 2012-03-14 20:45:20 Permalink
Rd Posts: 466 Incept: 2008-02-27 Long Island, NY Online	Trade of the Decade: The Power Elite's Grand Strategy Charles Hugh Smith had this pegged a while ago - Now everything can fail and the 99% can pay a nice return in Government bonds to the 1%, I figure 7 to 8 percent on 20 year bonds for the next thirty years. No SS, No Medicare, No pensions or retirement accounts - just work off the colossal debt. http://www.oftwominds.com/blogoct10/gran.... http://www.oftwominds.com/blogoct10/trad.... 2012-03-14 20:55:41 Permalink
Usonian Posts: 478 Incept: 2010-04-14 Orange County, CA	DO NOT post the bomb or dancing bananas... DON'T DO IT, dammit!!!! Whoever jinxes this, I'll rip their **ing head off and ** down their neck. You've been warned. Now.. is this FINALY it, or do we fade this action like usual? The only thing that gives me pause is that Nanna is actualy showing a little bearish sentiment on debt, which is truly interesting. Ape Lincoln... I'd like to see some danger, for once. This world is way too safe. ---------- What a man does�that he has. You may find other things on him, but they are not his. Frank Lloyd Wright 2012-03-14 21:00:21 Permalink
Genesis Posts: 130681 Incept: 2007-06-26	What should I name the boat? ---------- I don't care* if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me* Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. *Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.* *What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?* 2012-03-14 21:09:34 Permalink
Usonian Posts: 478 Incept: 2010-04-14 Orange County, CA	Dammit, Karl!!!! Stop it!!! ---------- What a man does�that he has. You may find other things on him, but they are not his. Frank Lloyd Wright Last modified: 2012-03-14 21:12:45 by usonian 2012-03-14 21:11:22 Permalink
Genesis Posts: 130681 Incept: 2007-06-26	Ok ok..... ---------- I don't care* if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me* Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. *Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.* *What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?* 2012-03-14 21:13:34 From PDA Permalink
Nanna Posts: 5659 Incept: 2008-01-20 NY State	I'm not going to mince words here, I've been long debt for over a decade when others have been talking about "interest rate conundrums" and whatever. Past couple days ... really looks like a generational shift to me. Debt markets are like jazz (versus stocks rock and roll) timing to me. My spidey senses are all prickling. N/not investment advice, just spidey analogs :) ---------- "There are fluctuations in the market that don't mean anything."Ira Gluskin, February 14, 2012 2012-03-14 21:19:14 Permalink
Mayorquimby Posts: 13909 Incept: 2008-09-18 The Archaic Past	Um... ---------- They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey Gold is theft. 2012-03-14 21:52:19 Permalink
Themortgagedude Posts: 8843 Incept: 2007-12-17 saint louis Online	Methinks this could continue for a few days. I'm advising people to lock their rates. But I really think Bondzilla hasn't even thought about coming out yet. When Bondzilla comes out were **ed because we will not change till then. And it won't be pretty. For now methinks they'll QE without letting us know if they have too. Anything that's necessary because Ben ain't going down till the *ing house burns down around him. Maybe 24 months. ---------- I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth. 2012-03-14 21:58:06 Permalink*
Mayorquimby Posts: 13909 Incept: 2008-09-18 The Archaic Past	I dunno...no one is going to sit there and watch their money get decimated. If the market really does see recovery and inflation down the road it will sell and there is nothing @federalreserve can do unless they buy trillions more. I not sure this is "it" but I do think the bond market is going to have the last laugh. I also agree this could last days or weeks. ---------- They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey Gold is theft. 2012-03-14 22:05:15 Permalink
Themortgagedude Posts: 8843 Incept: 2007-12-17 saint louis Online	It can't last for weeks at today's pace. We'd have mortgages at 7% and house prices 50% off in weeks. Might be what we need but Ben isn't giving up yet. ---------- I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth. 2012-03-14 22:10:18 Permalink
Mayorquimby Posts: 13909 Incept: 2008-09-18 The Archaic Past	Well not straight up for weeks but we could be well above 2.25 for a while. We shall see. ---------- They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey Gold is theft. 2012-03-14 22:13:56 Permalink
Loanman Posts: 206 Incept: 2008-03-25 Chicago	Im not buying any of this horse **. The world is suddenly free of risk? All just a little goose to the rates before the ** hits the fan. Nothing will get money flowing back faster to the US treasuries than a war. Israel v Iran coming soon. Fookin book it ---------- Mt Flushmore Paulson, Bernanke, Geithner & Franks Liars,tax cheats,perjurers and thieves 2012-03-14 22:27:32 Permalink
Themortgagedude Posts: 8843 Incept: 2007-12-17 saint louis Online	When I think of The Bernank I often think of The Wiz. He's not going down without blowing the whole ***ing thing to the moon. ---------- I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth. 2012-03-14 22:35:43 Permalink*
Themortgagedude Posts: 8843 Incept: 2007-12-17 saint louis Online	---------- I'm already visualizing you with duct tape over your mouth. 2012-03-14 22:40:29 Permalink

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