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Rvacha
Posts: 8295
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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What appeared to be Spain (and France, Italy, Portugal) pushing back on austerity now smells of total desperation, one that has pushed them to the point of saying FU to almost everyone. The general consensus (I think) is that the EU can hold it together through the Greek election (specially since it could go either way) but can Spain hold it together that long? I dunno. LCH margin hike seems in the bag at this stage too, with Bund spreads hitting the magic 450bps
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Henri
Posts: 191
Incept: 2007-09-23
europe
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Yields on the 10YR breached 6.5% today. High of the year was 6.7 in november. No doubt the ECB will intervene yet again to bring them under control, how long they can keep this up is the big question. It's widely believed that yields at the 7% level would be unsustainable.
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Rvacha
Posts: 8295
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comme....Quote:Edward Hugh from Spain Economy Watch says Spanish banks have made €2 trillion of loans from a deposit base of €1.2 trillion, a sobering figure for lenders largely shut out of global capital markets. The Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS) thinks Spanish banks will need to write off €270bn, implying “Irish” damage to Spain’s debt trajectory. If CEPS is right, public debt could jump towards 110pc in short-order. Quote:Spanish banks are parking the ECB money in Spanish bonds for the time being, a costly form of patriotism. The latest spike in yields has devalued their holdings, leaving them nursing a big loss. There is another insidious effect. As the banks buy the bonds, foreigners sell. External holdings of Spanish debt fell from 50pc to 37pc between December and March. This does at least mean that much of the rising cost of debt payment is recycled within the Spanish economy, limiting the macro-damage. But it also makes it easier for Spain to leave the euro. Investors have noticed this, too. The eurozone is disintegrating. As for the Spanish economy, it is literally imploding. The budget deficit was 8.9pc of GDP last year, barely down from 9.3pc in 2010. We now learn that the regions have flattered their accounts by failing to pay suppliers €17bn. Valencia is 765 days late on bills, mostly to pharmaceutical companies and healthcare services. The debt of the regions has reached €135bn, or 12.6pc of GDP, chiefly because they look after the elderly and bear the brunt of Spain’s demographic burden.
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Uppity_peasant
Posts: 3112
Incept: 2009-06-26
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Spanish retail sales show record fall in Aprilhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/2....Spanish savings banks mull merger as debt crisis biteshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18246....Quote:...The difficult state of the country's finances was underlined by the latest retail sales figures, also released on Tuesday by the National Statistics Institute.
Spanish retail sales dived in April, showing the biggest fall since the figures started being collected in 2003.
Sales fell 9.8% last month compared with the same month last year, after adjusting for calendar differences.
The fall was much worse than had been expected, and marked the 22nd consecutive month of declining sales. Sales had fallen by 3.8% in March.
Without adjusting for calendar effects, retail sales fell 11.3% in April having dropped 4% in March...
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Two lots of 1.5M each for STD (Santander in the USofA) traded at 8:39AM and 8:40AM.
Good times!
(No position.)
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Zarathustra
Posts: 5961
Incept: 2009-04-29
Funkytown
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Go Spain Go....
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"And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." - Socrates
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Frat
Posts: 1935
Incept: 2009-07-15
NKY
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Argos, explain that for the financially retarded such as myself please....
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We're ****ed. Where's Henry Bowman when you need him?
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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The Spanish government had planned to issue debt for the Bankia bailout. Somehow, in a days time, the revelation donned on them that the market would be uncomfortable with such a plan. That's the official story, anyway. For me, it's not impossible that they were instructed (or, convincingly persuaded) by someone like the ECB not to issue debt for the purpose of the bailout.
Spain is really getting painted into a corner.
Reason: clarity
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Jubber
Posts: 14104
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
Online
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Hope he gets the huge payout he has so deservedly worked for while keeping Spain safeguarded from disaster all these years.
...a great opportunity to put another Goldman filth in charge
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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 His negotiations with Merkel must not have gone well.
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Fitch Ratings downgrades eight Spanish regions: http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews....They must have been impressed with that one-day delay! :) The eight are: Madrid Catalonia Andalusia Asturias Basque Country Canary Islands Cantabria Murcia (There are seventeen regions in total.)
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Nejla
Posts: 458
Incept: 2008-02-09
Oakland-Proudly
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan....Capital flight from Spain hits record $66bn Spaniards alarmed by the dire state of their banks are squirreling money abroad at the fastest rate since records began, figures showed on Thursday, and the credit ratings of eight regions were cut. Spain is the next country in the firing line of the euro zone's debt crisis, with spendthrift regions and shaky banks threatening to blow a hole in state finances and pushing funding costs towards levels that signal the need for a bailout. Bank of Spain data showed a net €66.2bn (£55.2bn) was sent abroad last month, the most since records began in 1990. The figure compares to a €5.4bn net entry of funds during the same month one year ago.
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Be thankful for everything now, for soon there will be nothing.
Insanity-Voting for the same people over and over again and expecting different results.
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Stonedog
Posts: 2080
Incept: 2008-05-29
New Jersey
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AEP - Spain faces 'total emergency' as fear grips markets http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan....Quote:“We’re in a situation of total emergency, the worst crisis we have ever lived through” said ex-premier Felipe Gonzalez, the country’s elder statesman. The warning came as the yields on Spanish 10-year bonds spiked to 6.7pc, pushing the “risk premium” over German Bunds to a post-euro high of 540 basis points. The IBEX index of stocks in Madrid fell 2.6pc, the lowest since the dotcom bust in 2003.
Chaos over the €23.5bn rescue of crippled lender Bankia has led to the abrupt resignation of central bank governor Miguel Ángel Fernández Ordóñez, who testified to the senate that he had been muzzled to avoid enflaming events as confidence in the country drains away.
Markets are on tenterhooks as Spanish yields test levels that forced the European Central Bank to respond last November with its €1 trillion liquidity blitz.“Nobody is short Spanish debt right now because they are expecting ECB intervention,” said Andrew Roberts, credit chief at RBS. “If it doesn’t come -- if we take out 6.8pc -- we’re going to see a hyberbolic sell-off,” he said.
Italy felt the full brunt of contagion from Spain on Wednesday, with 10-year yileds back near 6pc. The euro fell to a 2-year low of $1.239 against the dollar. Crude oil and metal prices plummeted and save-haven flight pushed rates on 2-year German debt to zero. Gilt yields fell to 1.64pc, the lowest in history.
Mr Roberts said the collapse in Spanish tax revenues is replicating the pattern in Greece. Fiscal revenues have fallen 4.8pc over the last year, and VAT returns have slumped 14.6pc. Debt service costs have risen by 18pc.
The country is caught in a classic deflationary vice: a rising debt burden on a shrinking economic base. “Once you get into such a negative feedback loop, you can move beyond the point of no return quickly,” he said.
The European Commission has softened its stance, giving Madrid an extra year until 2014 to cuts its budget deficit from 8.9pc to 3pc of GDP, though this still amounts to a fiscal shock. Brussels told premier Mariano Rajoy to widen the VAT base and speed retirement at 67.
There is no sign so far that the ECB is ready to relent as Frankfurt and Madrid cross swords in an escalting test of will. The ECB has scotched Mr Rajoy’s tentative plans to recapitalize Bankia by drawing on ECB funds.
“It is dangerous to play chicken when you are driving a Seat and the ECB is driving a tank,” said professor Luis Garicano from the London School of Economics (LSE).
Mr Garicano said Madrid has overplayed its hand but the ECB needs to be careful too since Spain is increasingly tempted by the example of Argentina, which recovered quickly after leaving its dollar-peg. “The Rajoy people will do anything to avoid the slow agony of Greece. There is massive disaffection with the euro in Spain and papers like El Pais and Vanguardia are turning anti-German,” he said.
The latest PEW survey shows that just 37pc of Spaniards think the euro has been good for the country. Most still want to stay within EMU but the number is falling fast. The survey found that 40pc of Italians want to return to the lira. The ECB is pushing Spain to accept a loan package from the EU bail-out fund (EFSF), the proper body for fiscal rescues. Mr Rajoy has refused vehemently. Any recourse to the EFSF is viewed with horror in Madrid, entailing an unacceptable loss of sovereignty.
The result is paralysis as both sides refuse to shift ground. Mr Rajoy is clinging to hope that the EU will take care of Spain’s banks through an EMU-wide recapitalization plan. This would avoid stigma and draconian conditions. Brussels floated the idea on Wednesday for a eurozone “bank union” and use of the European Stability Mechanism -- which has not yet been ratified by most states -- to rescue banks and sever the dangerous nexus between crippled lenders and crippled states.
The proposals were shot down instantly by Berlin. Such plans amount to debt-mutualization, a form of back-door eurobonds. German opposition is “well known”, said the Kanzleramt.
Sources in Berlin say Germany wants Spain to tap the International Monetary Fund -- as well as the EU -- to spread the rescue burden to the US, China, Japan, Britain and others.
LSE Professor Paul De Grauwe accused the ECB of cherry-picking treaty clauses to justify inaction and failing to carry out its crucial mandate of financial stability. “They should buy Spanish and Italian bonds to cap yields at 300 basis points over Bunds, and let the lawyers argue about it for the next ten years,” he said.
Eurozone data released on Wednesday show that private credit and all key measures of the money supply contracted in April, suggesting that ECB’s €1 trillion liquidity blitz over the winter has failed to gain traction. Guy Mandy, credit strategist at Nomura, said the ECB has lost sight of the big picture and risks losing the euro altogether if if fails to restore basic confidence. “They need to weigh up events on a grander scale, stop worrying about moral hazard, and do the job of a central bank,” he said.
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If
Posts: 1193
Incept: 2008-01-06
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Has someone finally figured it out? The ECB is pushing Spain to accept a loan package from the EU bail-out fund (EFSF), the proper body for fiscal rescues. Mr Rajoy has refused vehemently. Any recourse to the EFSF is viewed with horror in Madrid, entailing an unacceptable loss of sovereignty. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan....
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I finally took the red pill. I have a lot of catching up to do. Please excuse my ignorance.
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Rvacha
Posts: 8295
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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Quote:Any recourse to the EFSF is viewed with horror in Madrid, entailing an unacceptable loss of sovereignty Like they have it presently? They gave it away to the bankers a long time ago and are doing everything in their power to make sure they don't get it back
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Jubber
Posts: 14104
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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BTP now UP 131 !
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Jubber
Posts: 14104
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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looks like that may have been a signal for intervention BTP UP NOW 150 10Y Italy now 5.724% from 5.962% 10Y Spain now 6.467% from 6.63%
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Jubber
Posts: 14104
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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30Y bond has dropped 100 pips
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Argos
Posts: 6330
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/s....Partial quote: Quote:Spain's government has delayed by at least a week the adoption of a new mechanism to ease the funding problems of its heavily indebted regions, a government source said on Friday.
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Bajorgensen
Posts: 712
Incept: 2010-04-15
Norway
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A quick report from Spain:
I've been here for almost two weeks now, flying home soon. As told in another thread, the complacency here is staggering. Some people are prepared though, but they are few and far between IMO. I have been visiting the Canary Islands, the southest of southern europe. This is truly manjana, manjana land. Most management is hired from mainland, and islanders are shunned for they lax work ethics. A couple of coffe breaks and long luncheons is the common theme here, while my friend in managmenet hardly has time for lunch at all.
The way they game the system here is they have a brother or a cousin, who "employ" them for a duration long enough to qualify for unemployment pay. Presto! Living la vida loca! Relaxing days in the sun and doing some black work in between. My friend tells my they have a hard time hiring people for hard labor as they rather be on the dole...
It dawned upon me that the situation is not as bad as we might think. 25% unemployment would be a disaster, why are people not starwing? The answer is a big and thriwing black employment. The estimation is 25-30% of the economy is black. The problem of course is lack of taxation...
And the food is terrific as long as you stay away from the turist traps...
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Peterm99
Posts: 4990
Incept: 2009-03-21
SoCal
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Thanks for your interesting report. Bajorgensen wrote..The problem of course is lack of taxation. Only if you look at things from a "traditional" point of view. Another way to look at it is that the government wants to spend more money than the people are willing to provide. IF people in a society are willing and able to live their lives well without the programs gov't bureaucrats want to spend money on, why is that a problem? The real problem (as you point out) is that the people are still consuming gov't provided resources (e.g., unemployment) while finding ways to not pay for them. That will come to an end soon enough, and not just in Spain. The question remains whether people will eventually opt to live in a system with gov't spending commensurate with gov't income, or will they try to get back to the current system in which they consume more gov't services than what they are willing to pay for, which will inevitably lead to another crash. From your description of their work ethic, optimism for the future does not appear warranted.
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