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Krzelune
Posts: 5513
Incept: 2007-10-08
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If you read the story, she was yelling at the opposition who were booing and wouldn't shut up. That explanation also makes perfect sense when you watch the video.
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The desire of millions, the inconvenience of millions, the suffering of millions, the death of millions, does not concern them because of the evolutionary humanist lens they peer through.
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Pika-steph
Posts: 54732
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Wow. I guess that's Spain's 'let them eat cake' moment, huh?
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Stop the Looting; Start Prosecuting - http://www.FedUpUSA.org/ "The only regulation that really works is failure."--Rick Santelli
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Rvacha
Posts: 8300
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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Quote:the Helsinki government would like shares in Spanish banks as a guarantee on funds it’s contributing toward their bailout What happened here? Either: 1. Finland is dumber than a box of rocks (Bank *stocks*? Collateral?!! Really?!!) 2. They have reneged on their collateral policy without having the balls to say so 3. They figure they can promise anything they want because no bailout will actually happen
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Rvacha
Posts: 8300
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-....Quote:Spain's economy minister, Luis de Guindos, has approved a new fund of up to €18bn to ease the regions' difficult funding situations:
Quote:The fund will finance the autonomous communities on the basis of the funding costs of the Treasury plus a small spread. There is a guarantee that the regions will receive the funds (they need) but they keep the responsibility of paying them back.
The mechanism will be funded through a €6bn loan from the state lottery and the rest will come from the Treasury. So... Spain to issue at least 12B euros of new debt to keep the regionals afloat for a while longer while "borrowing" the rest from the lottery. What could possibly go wrong?
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Lplate
Posts: 4737
Incept: 2008-08-06
Australia
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Quote: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/1.... Mon Jul 16, 2012
The IMF cut its growth forecast for the crisis-hit euro zone to 0.7 percent in 2013, while maintaining its projection of a 0.3 percent contraction this year. It said it now believes Spain's economy will shrink both this year and next....
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Lplate
Posts: 4737
Incept: 2008-08-06
Australia
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Quote: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/1.... Tue Jul 17, 2012
(Reuters) - Europe's debt markets are not functioning properly due to the slow and complicated decision-making process in the euro zone, Spain's Economy Minister was quoted as saying in an interview with Spanish daily La Vanguardia.
"There are no (debt) operations between nations in the monetary union and practically the only demand for Italian debt comes from Italians," Luis de Guindos said.
"A similar thing is happening in France and Spain."
The minister added that investors outside the euro zone had no confidence in the euro.
"This renationalization of the capital markets is very negative," he said...
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Rvacha
Posts: 8300
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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He's talking exclusively about bonds I suppose. One of the other alarming problems is how much Spanish bank equity (and bonds) is held by its citizens for retirement
I love how he thinks the root problem is the "slow and complicated decision making process" when the real problem is unserviceable debt.
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Highrev
Posts: 5025
Incept: 2009-02-21
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Lplate
Posts: 4737
Incept: 2008-08-06
Australia
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ZH tweet: Quote:GERMAN LAWMAKERS BACK SPAIN BANK AID BY 473 VOTES TO 97 VOTES
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Highrev
Posts: 5025
Incept: 2009-02-21
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Videopro
Posts: 1898
Incept: 2007-08-03
L.A. Area
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MASSIVE PROTEST MARCHES HAPPENING IN MANY MAJOR CITIES ACROSS SPAIN TONIGHT:  Quote:Spain's protest movement grows, morphs as cuts bite
(Reuters) - A protest movement against the center-right Spanish government's latest austerity measures swelled on Thursday as public sector workers stepped up demonstrations in Madrid and around the country after more than a week of spontaneous action. Some estimating the crowds have swelling to more than a 80,000 in Madrid alone and upwards to one million nationwide. Quote:With parliament, besieged for the last week, voting on a package of 65 billion euros ($79.38 billion) of spending cuts and tax hikes, civil servants stopped traffic and invaded ministries ahead of marches called by trade unions in more than 80 cities on Thursday evening. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/1....Quote:But since Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy announced the austerity steps last week there have been daily demonstrations drawing groups that have previously stayed away. Quote:On Thursday, policemen and members of the Civil Guard took the unusual step of joining the protests. Indeed newest tweets and local chat room entries are indicating the crowd is moving on the parliament building in Madrid and the police have left their usual assignment and joined the protest taking little action to secure the area around the legislature. This comment seen on social media tonight by a Spanish protester: Quote:we are preparing a huge march on Madrid, another one, to tell the government to make public reform and provide a more tolerable life, we are not going to tolerate them, what they want is to destroy us all, to destroy the country, we will not stand for this!! More... Quote:Huge protests against austerity cuts erupt in Spain
MADRID: Huge protests against crisis pay cuts and tax hikes filled the streets of Spanish cities Thursday evening as workers yelled in anger branding the crisis measures "robbery".
Unions called more than 80 demonstrations across the country, the latest and biggest in an almost daily series of protests this month, with workers yelling in anger at pay cuts and tax hikes.
"Hands up, this is a robbery!" protesters bellowed in Madrid, where a sea of demonstrators crammed the avenues of the city centre. One protest sign held by a marcher stated; Quote:"There isn't a shortage of money -- there are too many thieves," http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/a....SEE LIVE VIDEO HERE: http://www.livestream.com/newstalkRELATED NEWS STORIES RELEASED WITHIN THE LAST HOUR: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&g....
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
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Videopro
Posts: 1898
Incept: 2007-08-03
L.A. Area
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UPDATE: CHAOS ENSUES
Things went very badly shortly before midnight Madrid time, when after hours of peaceful albeit loud protest, riot police decided to charge the massive crowd unleasing numerous volleys of non-lethal gunfire rounds.
Reports of injuries unconfirmed at this time.
More to follow...
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
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Rvacha
Posts: 8300
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Lplate
Posts: 4737
Incept: 2008-08-06
Australia
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Quote:Monti plans 'Greek-style' takeover of Sicily to avert default http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan.... 18 Jul 2012
Mr Monti held an “urgent” meeting with the country’s president Giorgio Napolitano on Wednesday to grapple with the constitutional issue after it emerged that the region faces a deficit of up to €7bn (£5.49bn) this year and is in danger of default without sweeping cuts.
Sicily’s regional councillor Andrea Vecchio warned that the island has run out of money. “I’m afraid we will soon no longer be able to pay civil servants’ salaries,” he said.
“The developments in Sicily are very serious,” said Prof Giuseppe Ragusa from Luiss University in Rome. “It is just the sort of negative shock we don’t want right now. Everything has to go perfectly for Italy to pull through.”
The full extent of Sicily’s crisis came to light just before Moody’s downgraded a string of Italian regions, cutting many to levels even lower than Sicily. Piedmont, Abruzzo, Calabria, Lazio, and Campania were all slashed. The City of Naples fell to junk status, plagued by “systemic pressure” from a deep social and economic crisis.
“We mustn’t let the disaster in Sicily infect Italy,’’ said Pier Ferdinando Casini from the liberal PDC party, leading a chorus of politicians and business leaders calling for a takeover along the lines of the EU-IMF troika operations in Greece....
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Videopro
Posts: 1898
Incept: 2007-08-03
L.A. Area
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Spanish firefighters strip naked in a message directed towards austerity measures  Quote:MIERES, Spain — Eight firemen posed in the nude in a Spanish town on Thursday to protest against sweeping new government austerity measures that include public sector wage cuts and tax increases.
The firefighters emerged one by one from their fire station in the northern town of Mieres near Oviedo wearing just their black helmets and boots and lined up side by side against a wall with their backs to the assembled press. "With so many cuts we have been left naked," declared a banner on the wall above them. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art....Quote:RISKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT
Messages on social networks like Twitter and mobile messaging service WhatsApp call for impromptu demonstrations that attract hundreds of people in various cities every day.
One message doing the rounds urges citizens to gather in the main squares of their cities on July 27 and says: "The Spanish people are sick of all politicians. Let's make history!"
The cabinet on Thursday approved a parliamentary motion categorizing "urban violence" as a specific crime, which could empower police to detain suspects preventively before being charged with the offence. http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNew....
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
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Videopro
Posts: 1898
Incept: 2007-08-03
L.A. Area
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A couple of pictures from today's demonstrations in Spain to convey the magnitude of the protests:   Something tells me the payback for bailout funding is going to be something other than in cash...
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
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Jubber
Posts: 14174
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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IBEX up, nothing to see 10y Spain 7.03%
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Argos
Posts: 6338
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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From BB Radio:
EU Finance Ministers have approved Spanish bank bailout, according to Juncker.
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Rvacha
Posts: 8300
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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But is there an actual plan, i.e something that we can read in print?
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Argos
Posts: 6338
Incept: 2008-03-23
The Green Mountain State
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Reuters coverage: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/2....Partial quote: Quote:Euro zone finance ministers approved an agreement on Friday to lend up to 100 billion euros ($123 billion) to Spain so it can recapitalize its banks, but the exact size of the loan will probably only be determined in September. Meanwhile, the region of Valencia reports that it will seek aid from the Spanish government: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/2....
Reason: add second link
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Jubber
Posts: 14174
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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10Y 7.178% 2y 5.538% 5y 6.698%
looks like they're losing it...
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Jubber
Posts: 14174
Incept: 2007-07-05
UK
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-end....Europe Ends In A Sea Of Red Spain's broad equity index suffered its second largest single-day drop in almost 4 years and Italy also tumbled almost 5% as everything European was sold hard. EuroStoxx (the broad Dow equivalent) is down almost 3% as EURUSD dropped to two year lows, EURJPY to 12 year lows. AAA safe havens were massively bid with Germany, Denmark, and Switzerland all to new low (negative) rate closes. Core equity markets did suffer though with Germany down 2% but it was the periphery that saw the damage in credit-land with Spain 10Y closing at 7.27%, 610bps over Bunds (and 5Y CDS over 605bps). Spanish spreads are +130bps from post-Summit (and pre-Summit) and Italy +78bps, but it is the front-end of the curve that is most worrisome - Spain's 2Y is 132bps wider in the last week. Europe's VIX exploded by over 4 vols to 24% today and once again looks decidedly high relative to US VIX...open article to see charts
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“The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other people’s money.” Thatcher
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Lplate
Posts: 4737
Incept: 2008-08-06
Australia
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Rvacha
Posts: 8300
Incept: 2008-10-03
Cleveland
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-20....Quote:As the government set out the spending limit for next year’s budget amid a surge in borrowing costs, Valencia said it would tap an emergency-loan fund created last week. Regions face about 15 billion euros of debt redemptions in the second half, with Catalonia and Valencia the most indebted states.
“Like other regions, Valencia is suffering the consequences of liquidity restrictions in markets as a result of the economic crisis,” the regional administration said on its website.
Spain created the 18 billion-euro bailout mechanism to help cash-strapped regions even as its own access to financial markets narrows. The regionals are totally locked out of the market but need to roll 15B in just the second half of this year while the bailout fund will have 18B total. Sounds like a very short term "fix"
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"I suggest you panic." - Hugh Hendry
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Frat
Posts: 1935
Incept: 2009-07-15
NKY
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I got back to my original sentiments.... while I whole-heartedly agree with giving the finger to the international bankers and the ultimate leech****s-in-charge, those protesting don't realize the most important part - THEY STILL CAN'T SPEN MORE THAN THEY TAKE IN IN TAXES, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR CURRENT (over-inflated) STANDARD OF LIVING!
We all know it's coming here, too, but it's fun to watch this trainwreck first.
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We're ****ed. Where's Henry Bowman when you need him?
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