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Widgeon
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Every index w/ a massive pump.
Wis/min
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CNBS-Coordinated effort by central bankers to add liquidity rumor.

Workerbee
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Word of co-ordinated action from central banks, I think...

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So they can't even stomach a (MOL) 10% decline any more without hitting the PANIC button.
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Just as the NAZ had turned red and news of the France downgrade had taken the froth off for the day.

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Ouch my ass hurts!

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Colorado_trader
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Indeed Coondog! And with volume!

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A rumor to counteract the FACT that France was down graded.
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Zzt ftw!

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Looks to be coming off. OPEX shenanigans fail?

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Wis/min
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Plenty got screwed on that rumor.

I was flat at the time.
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In 2007 the day before OPEX there were quite a few strikes of SPY calls that would have returned more than 100x the next day.
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The day they announced the short selling ban, I made 14x on some XLF calls, and I had not bought a particularly aggressive strike. Had I gone farther out of the money, it would have been a lot bigger...

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Huge volume for BAC, C, JPM, WFC, GS, MS, and JEF in the first five minutes of trading today. (The premarket volume wasn't strong, however.)

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Moody's has yet to announce its downgrades for US banks. Would they dare do it today?

Stay frosty!

(I'm short JPM and MS.)
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From early today:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/brea....

Quote:
Moody's downgrades 11 banks
Fri, Jun 15, 2012

Moody's has cut the ratings of 11 European banks and said it would cut again if Greece ditched the euro, kicking off a long-awaited round of downgrades for major European institutions.

The move kicks off a long-awaited round of downgrades for major European institutions.

(weird syntax there...-Buck)

Moody's Investors Service said today it had taken action against five Dutch banking groups, three French banks and one each from Belgium and Luxembourg.

Investors shrugged off the news after central banks from major economies had indicated they were prepared to take steps, including coordinated action, to stabilise markets in the wake of Greece's election on Sunday.

The benchmark FTSEurofirst 300 index was up 0.7 per cent at 0835 GMT.

Still, the downgrades will only add to pressure on European Union leaders to sort out the region's debt crisis.

Moody's was expected to downgrade some of the world's biggest banks by the end of June, which would widen the gulf in prospects between the strongest banks and weaker rivals. Bank of America, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley are among those whose ratings could be affected.

Moody's set a stable outlook to the ratings for four of the groups but kept a negative outlook for ING Bank, meaning it could cut it again.


The downgrades will only add to pressure on European leaders to sort out the region's debt crisis, with a real test to the union coming this weekend as Greeks go to the polls. Moody's also warned that, were Greece to exit the euro, further ratings actions on European banks could well be needed.

The long-expected news had little immediate impact on financial markets in Asia, with the euro holding firm around $1.2616.

"Today's actions reflect Moody's view that Dutch banks will face difficult operating conditions throughout 2012 and possibly beyond," Moody's said in a statement.

The agency said there were heightened risks for creditors amidst elevated uncertainty and downside risks to the economic outlook and fragile investor confidence in Europe.

Moody's agency said it had cut the ratings by two notches to Aa2 for Rabobank Nederland, to A2 for ING and ABN Amro, and to Baa2 for LeasePlan Corporation.

The long-term debt and deposit ratings for SNS Bank were downgraded by one notch to Baa2. The short-term ratings for all the groups were unchanged.

Moody's said it had factored into the ratings an increased risk of Greece leaving the euro area, but this was currently not the central scenario.

"If a Greek exit became Moody's central scenario, further rating actions on European banks could well be needed," it added.


Moody's said the negative outlook for ING took into account the bank's funding structure, which relies substantially on wholesale funds and a significant amount of non-domestic deposits.

Dutch bank and insurer ING received €10 billion in state aid during the 2008 financial crisis.

It was subsequently forced to separate its banking and insurance businesses and sell off various assets to meet European Commission requirements for state aid. The disposal could also help to raise money to repay state aid.

Moody's also cut ratings for French groups Banque Federative du Credit Mutuel, BPCE and CIC, and also KBC from Belgium, and Banque et Caisse d'Epargne de l'Etat from Luxembourg.

"To date, we have taken actions on banks in Germany, Austria, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland," it said.

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I think Paulson and Bernanke knew early on that Wile E. Coyote had already run straight off the cliff, so they chose to focus on frantic efforts to slow his descent before J6P notices the "gravity" of what has happened, hoping that the proles won't panic telegenically on the way down.
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Well, I didn't look at every publically-traded US bank, but KEY, USB, ZION, STI, ZION, RF, FITB, BK, and STT also had huge volume over the first five minutes after the open.

Looking to some of the European banks trading in the US, over the same five minutes, DB, CS, UBS, and BBVA did not have similar volume pops, whereas RBS and LYG had strong volume.

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Just to follow-up on that volume, unless something shocking happens in the final minutes here, of the sixteen US banks I listed, only C and BK are going to end the day with volume distinctly higher than their daily averages.

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