Cash grab we can believe in.

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/jun....

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Bob Battle, a Henrico County attorney who handles DUI and reckless driving cases, estimated that a person's first DUI now costs about $8,000 on average, including the costs of an attorney, court costs, fines, higher insurance costs and a fee to enter the Virginia Alcohol Safety Action Program.

"I think the new law will take it to $10,000-plus," said Battle, who co-wrote "Virginia DUI Defense: The Law & Practice," a textbook on how to defend people charged with DUI.

Included in his estimate is the cost of having to pay an attorney to ask a judge to allow removal of the system from a vehicle. A VASAP spokesman said courts in some jurisdictions require such approval.

Richmond defense attorney Bart Chucker estimated that a DUI conviction currently costs a first-time offender from $6,000 to $15,000 over a four-year period, and that the interlock law will raise the cost at least hundreds of dollars.

And this is for first offense, which is total bull.

Hell it happened to one of my friends a few years ago... he didn't drink all night and for no reason, cops pulled us over, and the cop claimed that my friend was drunk because he was a ``specialist at reading the eyes if someone was drunk`` (I'm not making this up)...

So then it went to court... we all went there to give testimony in favor of our friend because we knew he didn't drink... the cop still lied... and my friend lost his permit for a year.

Anyway, long story short, he got screwed and with this law, the cop lying would have cost him 10-15k$...

Never forget there is an endless stream of volunteers willing to screw people over for a buck and a chance for a little power over their neighbor.

add in the fascism enshrined in the law and you have the situation we have on 6/25/2012

2nd offence allows the state to steal your car here...probably based on if you own it outright or not...

I don't see a problem here. DUI is a serious matter and there should be stricter penalties to discourage people from doing it. I HATE hearing stories where someone has gotten 10+ DUIs and they're still allowed a drivers license.

You don't see a problem with pre-crime?

DUI is only a serious matter IF you cause damage to property or person other than yourself. Otherwise...you're simply justifying armed robbery from those that MIGHT cause harm.

Well im glad to know Controller (what an apt name) supports pre crime laws.

Be sure to practice your platform waves.

I think Controller has had to have turned in his/her guns by now and is the person that's trying to make sure to take them from everybody else. If you support DUI laws, by definition, you MUST also support anti-gun laws, since you just might shoot someone with them.

I posit controller is female. Controller, pls confirm or deny?

What difference does controllers gender matter? Couldn't a male have lost his son to a drunk driver & have an opinion about DUI laws?

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Couldn't a male have lost his son to a drunk driver firearm crime & have an opinion about DUI GUN laws?

I'm guessing "Rob" is a male, but who knows...

Who is Rob?

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What difference does controllers gender matter? Couldn't a male have lost his son to a drunk driver & have an opinion about DUI laws?

I do so love this line of argument. God, I LOVE IT!! So...what you're saying is losing a child to a DD gives some special insight into the Law, or human nature?

Is that it?

Makes me laugh, this Oprah conceit that only someone who lost a loved one to DUI/OD/OCD etc. has any insight on the problem. Actually, such people invariably have little to offer other than idiocy colored by grief. But it makes good TV, and usually shuts up anyone else in person to person debate.

Legalize drugs?! LISTEN TO ME M****ER! MY DAUGHTER ODed ON HEROIN! DON'T YOU TELL ME blah blah blah. So she liked to ride the Horse. Someone forced her to?

Hey, how about this? The laws as written DID NOT PREVENT THE ASSUMED DEATH!! What level of imbecile would continue said laws, that have failed already? Hmmmmm? No, go on, I insist. Tell me.

Discourse in this nation is non-existent; it's all about a trump card, cutting off the opponent, and feelings. Reality and logic need not apply.

Have had this out MANY times with someone who lost a loved one to drugs...

The reason I asked the gender is because of the idiocy of what was typed; it's that simple.

'I don't see a problem here. DUI is a serious problem. Therefore, anything the state wants to do is fine by me, as long as it might reduce the incidence of DUI deaths and injuries. Including confiscating houses, roadside executions and castration of male offspring. Do you see how serious DUI and I am? Do you?'

If the poster is female, I cut some slack for the emotional, illogical response. It confirms my meme that women should not be allowed to vote.

I've looked back over some of Controller's posts and sadly have to conclude he is in fact male. Sad.

Once again, the law should step in only if there is actual damages, IE and actual loss, an actual crime. But the moronic sheep eat the propaganda they've been spoonfed...

...and the fines continue to escalate, which is what this is all about.

Imagine the sheer numbers of jobs that depend on the DUI or the divorce industry for that matter...it has to number in the millions nationwide.

Pre-crime. HAHAHAHA!

The illogicallity of this thread is awesome!

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The reason I asked the gender is because of the idiocy of what was typed; it's that simple.

Hey now!!!

Upon reflection, ... well NM no recovering from that line :)

So, if someone wants to get drunk, high, or drunk and high, and then go around randomly firing 100's of bullets from thier gun, as long as they don't hit anyone or do any property damage their conduct should be legal?

I'm just asking for some clairification here...

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So, if someone wants to get drunk, high, or drunk and high, and then go around randomly firing 100's of bullets from thier gun, as long as they don't hit anyone or do any property damage their conduct should be legal?

I'm half tempted to split this out and sticky it...

This has been covered before...

A crime is defined as having two parts: Injury and Intent.

Here's where you chime in and say "but he didn't intend blah blah blah". Negligent behavior is the same. It is well known that randomly firing rounds into a crowd or driving drunk etc greatly increases the risks that someone will get hurt. To think otherwise is negligent and puts you into the same position as intending to cause harm.

What about injury? Don't you have to wait till something bad happens? Nope. It only has to come down to the imminent likelihood that something bad is about to happen. In the case of a DUI, driving 90mph into oncoming traffic probably could be considered imminent harm...

Now, when there is a clear intent and injury that makes for a pretty much open and shut case. If there is negligent behavior and imminent harm likely then that's for a judge and/or jury to decide.

As it stands now, if you leave the bar drunk and decide to sleep it off in your car you can be given a DUI. Where is the possible injury there?

Also, is it any difference if you are tired or have taken prescription medicine or are simply old? Why only test for alcohol? Why not simply do an objective test of your impairment and even if your 10x the 'limit', if you pass then who cares? But if you're 85yo and fail it should be the same punishment.

And for full disclosure: When I was much younger I lost a very close friend, who was just 13 yo, to a drunk driver. So I'm not just some yahoo on the internet talking about something that I've never experienced. It was a horrible experience and I don't wish it on anyone but I still don't agree with the current laws.

bitch slapped so to speak lmfao

There isn't a problem with anyone's driving as long as they can demonstrably control their vehicle. That said, cops around here already use the "you swerved over the yellow line twice" fabrication as an excuse to pull you over, so their judgment cannot be trusted, imo.

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if you leave the bar drunk and decide to sleep it off in your car you can be given a DUI

Or you're riding a tractor on your lawn, or riding a bike around town, or riding a horse...yeah. I thank God the bois in blue are there to save us all.

..........and the DUI reactionary mania continues driven by mindless soccer moms everywhere. Madd would like to execute first time DUI's.

" Let's make a new law ........" soccer mom says.

Jesus.

Another perfect example of what is wrong with America.

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" Let's make a new law ........" soccer mom says.

Does she say this before or after popping the additional valium that truly makes her impaired? Meanwhile, someone else dies in a motor accident 3 blocks over because hunched over granny can't see past her steering wheel.

BTW, does this interlock work on motorcycles? Do they get a pass because if it doesn't?

I made my post in response to that pre-crime bull****. I can't believe that someone thinks that you should be allowed to force a disinterested third party to play Russian Roulette by driving around drunk.

The second part of my reasoning in backing most of the drunk driving laws is that you can't compensate a victim if you kill them. You can't compensate their family either. And before you say it, no amount of money or no prison sentence including the death penalty is real compensation, there are somethings money can't buy.

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I can't believe that someone thinks that you should be allowed to force a disinterested third party to play Russian Roulette by driving around drunk.

How is that "Russian Roulette"? When younger, I drove home MANY times drunk, and never once caused harm to anybody or anything...should I be punished for it? Are you saying you're entitled to steal my property because of it?

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The second part of my reasoning in backing most of the drunk driving laws is that you can't compensate a victim if you kill them. You can't compensate their family either

Therefore, you should compensate them before it happens.

Have you turned in your guns? You CANNOT support DUI laws, without being either a gun-grabber or a hypocrite.

If flappingeagle is a dude, he better have cut off his own dick as he has the potential to go around raping people. Why should women be forced to play Russian Roulette in a sea of potential rapists?

People like him are part the reason we are in the situation we are in