I've had many laughs reading about the ridiculous regulations in Europe. Then I read this.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-disa....

Why can't you have A ****ING DOG to help you get around? Ohhh...you're a Muslim. Well **** me. No dog, no pig, no Jew as a guide. But hey, it's up to the 300 million other Americaxs to comport to your ****ED UP BS, right, and pay for it?

Yes, yes it is. Here's your taxpayer trained mother****ing miniature horse.

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(CNSNews.com) – Although the Justice Department has extended the deadline for America’s hotels to comply with regulations regarding handicap access to swimming pools, new Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) guidelines are already being applied at miniature golf courses, driving ranges, amusement parks, shooting ranges and saunas.

Among the provisions in the "Revised ADA Standards for Accessible Design," which went into effect on March 15, is one requiring businesses to allow miniature horses on their premises as guide animals for the disabled. Another limits the height of slopes on miniature golf holes.

“The new standards, for the first time, include requirements for judicial facilities, detention and correctional facilities, and recreational facilities,” Assistant Attorney General Thomas E. Perez said during a conference in Baltimore on June 7.

“We expect the implementation of these accessibility standards to open up doors for full participation in both the responsibilities, such as jury duty, and the benefits, such as playing at city parks, of civic life for people with disabilities,” he said.

The 2010 ADA standards for Accessible Design require that at least 50 percent of golf holes on miniature golf courses be “accessible” – with a ground space that is “48 inches minimum by 60 inches minimum with slopes not steeper than 1:48 at the start of play.”


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Other regulations include:

Saunas – provision of accessible turning space and an accessible bench.

Shooting facilities – provision of accessible turning space “for each different type of firing position.”

Golf courses – “an accessible route to connect all accessible elements within the boundary.” An accessible route must also “connect golf car rental areas, bag drop areas, teeing grounds, putting greens, and weather shelters.”

Gyms – at least one of each type of exercise machine must be positioned for use by a person in a wheelchair.

Amusement parks – any new or altered ride must provide at least one seat for a person in a wheelchair.

A section of the guidelines regulating commercial facilities states that, “a public accommodation shall make reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures to permit the use of a miniature horse by an individual with a disability if the miniature horse has been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of the individual with a disability.”

A public accommodation is defined as “a private entity that owns, leases (or leases to), or operates a place of public accommodation.”

“Miniature horses were suggested by some commenters as viable alternatives to dogs for individuals with allergies, or for those whose religious beliefs preclude the use of dogs,” the rules state. Also mentioned as a reason to include the animals is the longer life span of miniature horses – providing approximately 25 years of service as opposed to seven years for dogs.

“Some individuals with disabilities have traveled by train and have flown commercially with their miniature horses,” the Justice Department notes.

“Similar to dogs, miniature horses can be trained through behavioral reinforcement to be ‘housebroken,’” it adds.

However, “Ponies and full-size horses are not covered.”

A business owner can deny admission to a miniature horse that is not housebroken, whose handler does not have sufficient control of the animal, or if the horse’s presence compromises “legitimate safety requirements.”

The miniature horse addition has come under the scrutiny of at least one member of Congress, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who offered an amendment that passed the House, banning funding to implement the provision. Chaffetz penned an editorial last month in opposition to the rule entitled, “Horses in the Dining Room?”

Last month the Justice Department extended the deadline for the rule requiring permanent wheelchair access to recreational pools. Citing “significant concerns and misunderstandings among a substantial number of pool owners and operators,” the department issued a notice in the Federal Register extending compliance from March 15 to May 21 this year. The date has now been pushed back further, to January 31, 2013.

The regulation requires large pools – those with over 300 linear feet of pool wall – to have two accessible means of entry, and smaller pools to have one.

For existing pools, owners making structural alterations are obliged to remove architectural barriers “to the extent such compliance is readily achievable.”

“As I consider the department’s accomplishments to date, and our plans for the future, I continue to take my inspiration from people with disabilities and their families,” Perez said in Baltimore.

“These individuals express the harm of segregation and the value of integration more eloquently than any lawyer’s brief ever could. They are the heroes of this civil rights movement.”

A person with a disability is defined by the ADA as, “a person who has a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities, a person who has a history or record of such an impairment, or a person who is perceived by others as having such an impairment.”

Owned quarter horse as a kid, rode it bare back everywhere, couldn't afford a saddle. I would sooner eat a horse than ride one. I would snack on that mini on the bus, num, num, num. As for the ADA you can thank papa Bush for that **** pile.

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Gyms – at least one of each type of exercise machine must be positioned for use by a person in a wheelchair.

Even the leg machines?

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Even the leg machines?

Keep sassin' and you'll get a fine. I'd say you'd need two of every machine then or maybe just a 30 yard exclusion zone around each machine.

**** the ADA and the DoJust-Us enforcer douchebags. and every fukking cop that enforces this idiocy and every government puke that hands out a fine

Load all them up in a helo and drop them on the CO fires

Considering just how many service men & women are coming back from Iraq/Afghanistan needing use of a wheelchair, I find this to be a good thing. Just saying

Oh yes most defiantly. Because its impossible for anyone to cater to disabled .mil people as a business decision.

You know like oh discounts for .mil or perks like boarding a plane first. Sure no one will do anything to accommodate anyone unless some douche bag sticks a gun in your face

tell me is it only because some .mil are returning in wheelchairs that you think this is a good thing, or is that just an excuse ?

So does this kill the YMCA?

Thanks to Mr. "Read my lips".

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Considering just how many service men & women are coming back from Iraq/Afghanistan needing use of a wheelchair, I find this to be a good thing. Just saying

So you're "just saying" that the .gov has every right to cater to a special class just because they're special and that we should all be compelled to pay for it. Private charity could never come up with a solution, so we just have to go with the government solution. Got it.

Most small gyms have only one or two machines of each type- so now they need double the size space and twice the investment in machines so half the machines go unused.

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So does this kill the YMCA?

Nope. Gay men still need a place to seduce the young and impoverished.

"Gay men still need a place to seduce the young and impoverished"
They are working on the Boy Scouts of America and they still have the Big Brother program to harvest young buns.

"However, “Ponies and full-size horses are not covered.”"

There, proof of their hypocracy and discrimination.

Folks who are pushing the change in ADA regs into the government solution being a good thing are really taking it to an extreme, but hey, that does happen here. Reality is, we are going to have more relatively young disabled people in the US than any time previously & it was a "gov solution" that caused it.

I'd die old & dusty if I sat back & waited for the gentle hearts of local businesses to decide to accommodate these soldiers, who must now, in their 20's live the rest of their lives in wheelchairs.

Sorry folks, look around - people aren't that ****ing kind hearted, sometimes it takes an initiative to force the change

Disabled soldiers won't be going anywhere if all the business fold up due to the increased costs and liability.

Redhatty wrote..

Folks who are pushing the change in ADA regs into the government solution being a good thing are really taking it to an extreme, but hey, that does happen here. Reality is, we are going to have more relatively young disabled people in the US than any time previously & it was a "gov solution" that caused it.

Yes and....?
Last time I checked .mil service was 100% voluntary. There is no conscription.

Redhatty wrote..

I'd die old & dusty if I sat back & waited for the gentle hearts of local businesses to decide to accommodate these soldiers, who must now, in their 20's live the rest of their lives in wheelchairs.

Yes and So? If its such a pressing issue how about all people like you who share the same thoughts open up some *******n fukking biz. that caters to these people. Whats the matter is that so fukking hard? You have to get up _your_ ass personally and do something? yea probably.

Redhatty wrote..

Sorry folks, look around - people aren't that ****ing kind hearted, sometimes it takes an initiative to force the change

initiative to force the change ?
WTF is this ****. The "initiative" you speak of is not initiative at all. It is an action in which you are compelled to do - with the punishment for non-compliance being death.

But hey that's OK! Because were are talking about the .mil, right? So everything is OK!



But i guess you did answer my question.

For you the .mil is simply an excuse, a justification for you to have others stick guns in peoples faces. Congrats you are a true american hero !

No, I'm a vet & I think it's bull**** that young kids are getting crippled by the hundreds for believing they are doing the right thing for their country, when in reality all they are doing is implementing the building of a ****ing railroad for China's trade.

Unfortunately, it seems some folks here don't think they matter

Redhatty wrote..

No, I'm a vet & I think it's bull**** that young kids are getting crippled by the hundreds for believing they are doing the right thing for their country, when in reality all they are doing is implementing the building of a ****ing railroad for China's trade.

Sure. I agree with that.

But that has nothing to do with the ADA, which i thought is what we were talking about.

Take the .mil out of it. And ask yourself do you think that what it (the ADA) forces is a valid application of State Power, in effect - Should the State be justified in killing you if you violate it.

If the answer is still yes. Well then there you go. If the answer is no ....

Then having your, or someone you know, ox's gored is still irrelevant. And it is still bad (tm) law. IOW personally or tangentially benefiting from X should not justify absurdity. Absurdity enforced at gunpoint.

Redhatty wrote..

Unfortunately, it seems some folks here don't think they matter

You can believe what you wish. But again, it has nothing to do with the ADA.

The Forest Service needs to start making all the mountains handicap accessible.

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Reality is, we are going to have more relatively young disabled people in the US than any time previously & it was a "gov solution" that caused it.

Explain. What was the .gov solution that caused this? What was the problem and what was the .gov solution, and how should that/does that impact any business owner?

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I'd die old & dusty if I sat back & waited for the gentle hearts of local businesses to decide to accommodate these soldiers, who must now, in their 20's live the rest of their lives in wheelchairs.

Who cares?

Part and parcel of being an adult, and a man, is the recognition that you are responsible for your actions. If you volunteer to bring democracy to recalcitrant brownskins by blowing them apart along with their families, while knowing you will get a paycheck and a break on inflating college prices – this is a cold calculation that you’ve made.

Reducing wedding parties to smoking meat, getting some trigger time in out of the door of your Blackhawk, and playing Xbox in the ACed tent on base is just something you decided to volunteer for.

If you are murderous, desperate, or stupid enough to volunteer to staff a phalanx of the Empire – SUCK IT UP! Sometimes the savages with just a loincloth and an AK get luckey. Allah willing.

I honestly find your reflexive knob sucking of the .mil and no doubt the .police to be disgusting. We invaded these countries to make Amerixa safe…we lost and once again leave with our tail between our legs like whipped cur.

Question. These wars were posited to KEEP AMERIXA SAFE. Now that we’ve lost, will we see Iraq long range bombers attacking New York?


Will Afghan tribes men disembark in Newark and march on Washington, now that we’ve lost?

Do you have more than 50 IQ points ratting in your skull? Honestly?

REDHATTY SEZ: “Someone got their leg blown off in Kabul; therefore, to make me feel better I insist some hapless business owner reconfigure his whole ****ING LIFE just in case some mercenary who is missing a leg wants to shop there.”
Your post is so ridiculous I hope you smoked a kilo of bath salts before posting.

Who the F are you to force a stranger to burn 50K or more to make their store more accessible? To anyone? Why don’t you find some local stores, and pony up your own cash for the new ramps and what not? Start a charity? I’m sure there are a HUGE number of sheep who would contribute.

After a few years, pay yourself a salary. Get a new suit…you’d still be a #### (rhymes with runt) but at least you’d be a proactive runt.

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Sorry folks, look around - people aren't that ****ing kind hearted, sometimes it takes an initiative to force the change

Hey legless dude. Stay home. Order from Amazon. Accommodate yourself to the choices you’ve made. Don’t force EVERY MOTHER****ING BUSINESS IN AMERICA to cater to you, ####.

I’d like to think if you can call artillery on a village of yellowskins, drone strike somebody on a mule, or use a laser guided missile to incinerate a wedding party, you’d be able to mount a curb to get to the sushi bar. Just my reasoning.
Do hope you did not bitch about Oblama care…this is the sort of legislation that is right up your alley.

You post reveals you as a Fascist, Statist Nutcase. And as a .mil .gov .cop knob polisher. I honestly shudder thinking sloe eyed, slack jawed cretins like you vote.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;

But it seems, if you are disabled, you are no longer equal, and even though the ADA made it LAW that you should have enough room between the aisles in the grocery store to buy your food (necessary for life), it's Wrong?

We actually have a law from the government, doing exactly what a government SHOULD do, secure the rights of ALL people, whether able to walk or only ambulatory in a wheelchair, but y'all think it's wrong?

Seriously???

So now it's expanded to allow you some access to leisure happiness & you all think it's wrong?

And comparing not following the ADA to a death sentence (capital) crime is a strawman - your argument is not valid.

I truly hope you & those you love are never left to see just how un-accessible much of life is in a wheelchair.

And I even get called a Fascist and worse for believing that quote above, from our Declaration of Independence still stands valid.

Whatever folks.

"rights" that have to be "secured" by violating unalienable rights endowed (volunteering to violate someone else's unalienable right and getting your ticket punched is not a endowed birth right) by their creator are not rights, they are gun barrel violations of your rights.
Your logic leads to, well, imagine the possibilities, and that's ****ing scary.

The .gov will ALWAYS find some aggrieved class to exploit, and to cover themselves in cheap glory as they impose costs on others in order to buy votes from the dullards.

BTW securing someones rights in no way entails infringing on others. Why don't you open a 'wheelchairs R US' combo grocery store/gym? Man up and put up your house for collateral and make a difference?

Oh, that's right, you'd rather hold a gun to someone else's head and extort them to make you feel better, right? Man up and admit it...you will use the cudgel of the state to enforce what you see is right and infringe on some poor merchant's rights...

Hey, how about we pass a law that every business must provide a clean room and a germ free positive air pressure bubble to every weeping sore advanced HIV case in the country?

Come on now, why not? They are disabled. Not being able to buy a happy meal and roll in the field of balls in playland is clearly wrong, right?

And say, all those limbs blow clean off during WWII...how in the name of **** did they somehow manage to live, marry, and work post VE and VJ day? How?

Get a good night's rest, get up early and clean yourself up and go find a bankster or cop cock to suck on.

Name-calling people...WATCH IT.