Going to put my bets on Obama for the win in November on Intrade. Game over.

Obozo caught lying again. oops

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/200....

Just got through reading the opinion. This is one of the most poorly reasoned decisions I have ever seen come out of the Supreme Court.

The Court, admittedly aware of the constitutional impossibility of granting Congress the power to regulate "inactivity" or to force people to engage in commerce, resorts to the strained conclusion that the legislation can nonetheless be upheld under Congress' authority to tax. Astoundingly, it does so while explicitly recognizing that Congress did not intend to impose a tax, but rather to exact a penalty for noncompliance, and while admitting that the purpose of the tax is to coerce compliance with a mandate that Congress does not have the authority to impose directly. All this while claiming that the test for what is a "tax" versus a "penalty" is a functional, pragmatic one.

also the anti-injuction act apparently doesn't apply because congress didn't label it a tax, even though it is a tax.

got it? confused yet?

nope. not confused in the slightest. my eyes are wide open and my thoughts are crystal clear !

No, for the record, I did NOT research the RFID thing...I merely posted the alarmist video (several posts back now) because I think it does raise some interesting questions.

As I understand the RFID situation per the Obamacare Law, they will be implanted into "replacement parts" and only with the patient's consent.

Somehow I doubt it will remain a choice for very long, but hey...that's tinfoil...so pretend I said nothing.

This thing was "too big to fail." The ends justify the means and all. Too much political pressure and too much industry influence.

The best place to be is a member of the FSA. Free Medicaid coming right up, and for those who make a little more, "Obama gonna pay for my health insurance!"

It will be interesting to see the collapse of employer-paid insurance, as well as the collapse of state budgets when they try to take on hundreds of thousands of new Medicaid leeches.

There is now a real incentive to NOT create jobs, isn't there? Why would you want to grow to over 50 employees?

Something tells me these "exhanges" are going to be cluster f's as well. The average person is not equipped to shop for health insurance at all.

Are we sure that insurance companies are prevented from charging more for enrollees with pre-existing conditions? I've heard of the ban on charging much more for older folks. What we are setting up is for the young and healthy to be forced into the pool to try to compensate for the old and or sickly. Stupid young Obama voters have no clue they are being sold out.

So since this is a tax...did Obama sign into law the largest tax increase in history?

Yes.

Wis/min, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you LEO or retired LEO?

Resistance, Where did you get that idea?

I have never been an employee of any government or anything approaching that.

What are you fishing for?

Okay, I read it. Yeah - Pika's take pretty much says it all. :(

I found the conclusions of the Justices that ruled for this decision almost embarrasingly juvenile (and frighteningly unworthy for a legal ruling), and the desenter's take - just crying by then....especially for how many of my beloved educated friends are rah rahing this for reasons this decision had NOTHING to do with....(and one's an Atty????).

Mad world!

P.S. Rjazz - your video did cause me to research the RFID thingy, and I think someone better qualified than me should take a look at it. I think it might be a little more serious than you think.

Meltdown...agreed, it probably IS more serious than I stated. Check this out:

Hitachi mu-chip tiny RFID tag:


Powder RFID chips next to a human hair:


http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/science-fi....

Did anybody else sit straight up when the Court gave, as an illustration of an "obvious" application of Congress' taxing power, a tax on people who don't have energy efficient windows in their homes?

How hard is it to relocate to NZ? Or the Marquesas?

At least in the US this was questioned and need to go to the SCOTUS (despite the ridiculous decision).

Here in Aus private health was mandated many years ago: if you earn above $50,000 and dont buy it you pay an extra 1% tax. And they were generous and gave you a 30% rebate on your healthcare. The ability to mandate was not questioned, it was simply accepted. Basically the govt can decree whatever they like as long as they get it through parliament. Hence why we now have a carbon tax, and a mining "super profit" tax. I'm waiting for the farting tax and the oxygen tax personally.

Fast forward, and of course not only have private health insurance premiums increased significantly, but the rebate has been wound back. Oh and they have increased the tax penalty you pay if you dont take up the health insurance (of course they have to, since the premiums have risen over time). Who'd have thunk it?

For once we are ahead of the US, but being ahead in the nanny-state stakes is not something i want or am happy about...

Mittens will save us!...

Self-interest says the best place to be right now is working for a health insurer.

The comments on DU are sickening. They recognize that the Constitution was not upheld today, but that it is 'flawed anyway as written by a bunch of slaveowners'.

Well as far as I am concerned, this hastens the decline into anarchy. How long can the math be defied with multi-trillion annual deficits ? The future reserve status of the dollar is clearly in jeopardy.

But... but... but... Mittens' is going to make sure it's affordable!!!



WE'RE SAVED!!!

Truth is right ... we need to focus brain cells and energy on those things which we CAN control, and which will enable us to live the life WE want given the system which continues to demand more and squeeze the tourniquet tighter.

Not all of us can fully divorce ourselves from the "real" world and live under the radar, but there are steps which we can take to minimize the number/degree of external encumbrances on our money/time.

Plus, it makes us feel a whole lot better to focus on the things we CAN do to be the master of our lives rather than to fight the system as a subject, because as we have all seen, "it" has infinite resources to do its thing.

The system leverages off of people's fears, including change, the means for survival under what we have framed to be "an acceptable lifestyle," and in the case of the healthcare mandate, death. When we fear things, we voluntarily turn over our power to the system. Once we overcome those fears and have accepted a new reality, we are mentally free to live by our own values, and not the system's as incorporated in its policies/rules/regulations.

Way too much energy here is being spent on complaining, fighting the system, and thinking we can turn the tide because "it's logical" or "the Constitution rules." We saw today that this thinking no longer works. Trying to change the system is an uphill and intensely frustrating and draining battle. It's just what "they" want.

Time to take control of OUR lives, regardless of who/what is running the show.

I've posted this before, but I'm going to do it again because it seems appropriate at this juncture ...

From Joseph Campbell's interview with Bill Moyers ...

Quote:

CAMPBELL: Darth Vader has not developed his own humanity. He's a robot. He's a bureaucrat, living not in terms of himself but in terms of an imposed system. This is the threat to our lives that we all face today. Is the system going to flatten you out and deny you your humanity, or are you going to be able to make use of the system to the attainment of human purposes? How do you relate to the system so that you are not compulsively serving it? It doesn't help to try to change it to accord with your system of thought. The momentum of history behind it is too great for anything really significant to evolve from that kind of action. The thing to do is learn to live in your period of history as a human being. That's something else, and it can be done.
MOYERS: By doing what?
CAMPBELL: By holding to your own ideals for yourself and, like Luke Skywalker, rejecting the system's impersonal claims upon you.
...When Ben Kenobi says, "May the Force be with you," he's speaking of the power and energy of life, not of programmed political intentions.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget to instill this in your kids. I am. They don't "get" or appreciate it, but they will. Someday.

Well, it seems that a HKPIC is now in the works.

Just as my ancestors, 14 Generations ago, moved from Hull to Massachusetts Colony to seek opportunity and freedom from a coercive and restrictive government, do I now seek out someplace where the ideas that nurtured, grew and fed North America graze anew on the grasses of freedom.

Somewhere, someplace, in some present or future time.

It's about Money.

TAX.

In the end.... the goobermints ability to TAX the wage slaves trumps all. Never forget that.

Must
Feed
The
Beast!

.....another POV.

Quote:

Something to ask your State Governor, Attorney General, and Legislature. Will your State confirm it's already given Soverneignty, in lieu of the following?

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.
It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown through his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

...off of a tin site

yes yes the Medicaid ruling was interesting by that was 7-2.

the real issue is that the court ruled that the power to tax trumps constitutionally prohibited action. In effect it makes that which is unconstitutional, constitutional and proper.

that's a neat fukking trick, don't ya think?!?!?!?

who gives a flying **** if it is about obamacare or something else you personally like or do not like.