"I mean, see, listen, I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding among people regarding weight and regarding all those things that go into, to people being overweight," Christie said in an interview that will air Tuesday on "Nightline." "I think folks say - yeah, well he must just not be disciplined, you know, or he must not have willpower - that kind of thing. I guess the best analogy to make is some people drink too much. Some people take drugs. Some people eat too much. See, you can go live every day without drinking. You can live every day without taking drugs. You can't live every without eating."
See here is the problem. Excess weight is the product of taking in more calories than your body consumes. It is as simple as that. Eating calorie dense foods, high carbs, and not exercising will do that Chris! He is right that everybody needs to eat. But you DO NOT need to eat like a pig and eat a bunch of high-carb, processed foods. Sorry Chris but you are a FAIL on this one.
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
For a guy who preaches vigorous financial accountability and discipline for all the leeches he fails to recognize human shortcomings when it gets a little too close to home. I lost alot of respect for Chris here. He should have taken responsibility for his preposterously fat *** and left the victim card at home.
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Lunatic_fringe
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Actually your reasoning is too simplistic to be of any value. Christie does indeed consume more energy than he expends but just saying that isn't meaningful, it doesn't explain WHY he takes in more than he expends.
Odds are that Christie probably eats what he's been told is healthy - a low fat diet high in carbohydrate. In fact, he may not even eat all that much, his body could be so insulin resistant that he's a fat storing machine.
A person is fat because their metabolism is broken, most likely due to a diet high in carbohydrate. The way for Christie to lose weight is for him to change the composition of the food he eats, not how much he eats. Trying to starve yourself or exercise the weight off are losing propositions. Starving yourself actually lowers your metabolism and increases hunger and very few people have the will power to do that for long, which is why most dieters regain the weight lost (with interest). Exercising like a fiend will just make you hungrier.
Christie needs to fix his broken metabolism and he can probably only do that by limiting carbohydrates.
+1 Luna. I am losing weight by eating more fats .. good ones such as flax oil, fish oil, primrose oil, and coconut oil. Plus eating the most natural form of the food choice - whole-milk yogurt from stoneyfield farms, organic butter, free range eggs etc...no low fat / no fat crap with fake sweeteners.
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Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose, You and me bound to spend some time wonder'n what to choose. Goes to show, you don't ever know, watch each card you play and play it slow...Wait until that deal come round, don't you let that deal go down, no no. Garcia/Hunter.
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What Lunatic said!! The number of people who have literally given up trying to lose weight because they've followed their doctor's advice, time and time again, to no avail, must be astronomical.
How many people do you know that have had failed 'diets?' Sure, there are those that don't really try, but I know a bunch of people who have tried diligently. Over the years, I've seen these people follow exactly the 'low-fat, high-carb, no meat' nonsense their doctors have prescribed and they got so discouraged because they not only didn't lose weight, often they GAINED weight, that now they've basically sworn off dieting and truly now believe that they are incapable of losing weight. This is catastrophic in that then these people become those who will just blame it on their 'genetics' or 'metabolism' when nothing could be further from the truth.
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Eating calorie dense foods, high carbs, and not exercising will do that Chris! He is right that everybody needs to eat. But you DO NOT need to eat like a pig and eat a bunch of high-carb, processed foods. Sorry Chris but you are a FAIL on this one.
did you not get?
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
I agree Noodleman. Obesity is a classic example of a person taking responsibility (or lack thereof) for themself. There are no excuses. If a person wants to drop the weight, they can. It might be hard, but it can be done. Everything else is just an excuse.
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"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
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Fraudster - I understood what you said perfectly, that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. You're blaming Christie for his obesity when it's most likely not his fault. I used to do that too until I actually understood why people become overweight. It's not a matter of being lazy or gluttonous (those are actually side effects of their metabolic issues), the problem is eating carbohydrates.
Quit blaming the person and start blaming the real problem - bad advice from science and government. Gary Taubes explains it here...
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i know a few people who understand the carb relationship but prefer to enjoy their cake and stuffing their pie hole with baked goods.
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Is Chris Christie one of these people you know?
thankfully no.
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OMFG, I JUST POINTED OUT THAT HIGH CARB IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM! WHAT THE **** IS YOUR POINT?!?!
So you are telling me that it is not Chris Christie's fault. It is the fault of the high carb diet he is on? Well how about he take control of his life and figure out what is needed to get healthy. IT IS VERY MUCH HIS FAULT! If he wants to, he can make it happen. Personal accountability works great, right until it applies to you, huh?
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"Let China sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"Circulation ceases first at the outer edges [Europe and Japan]. It will take a while yet for the decay to reach the heart [America]." - Foundation & Empire by Isaac Asimov
If you listen to .gov & many doctors, etc then it becomes very easy to gain weight. Also, to simply apply the laws of thermodynamics to dieting is ignorant. There is no one size fits all diet.
@fraudster, Christi has to first understand the problem and my guess is he doesn't. He has accepted the lie.
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To err is human. To really **** things up takes government.
There is such a thing as being responsible for the advice you take and heed. If he's been fed bad advice, it's up to him to recognize it and make changes. No one is responsible for your body but you. Period.
Lunatic_fringe
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Fraudster, your original comment isn't correct. Here's what you said:
Eating calorie dense foods, high carbs, and not exercising will do that Chris! He is right that everybody needs to eat. But you DO NOT need to eat like a pig and eat a bunch of high-carb, processed foods. Sorry Chris but you are a FAIL on this one.
So first off you said calorie dense foods shouldn't be eaten. I couldn't disagree more. Over 70% of my diet is saturated and monounsaturated fats, the most calorie dense foods you can find and I have no weight issues (and that only occurred after I switched to a calorie-dense diet).
Then you said he's fat because he doesn't exercise - while there's no way you can know if he does or doesn't. Also, studies prove that weight loss is not predicated on exercise because what typically happens is that the more you exercise, the hungrier you get.
Then you said he eats like a pig and once again you have no idea if he does or doesn't do that. I can say that a person's appetite is controlled by their metabolism and their metabolism is telling them to eat because it's starving on the cellular level so if he eats a lot it's simply because his body his telling him he's hungry. With all that fat being stored rather than being burned for energy I'm sure the guy is ****ing hungry all the time.
So the only thing I can fault him for is being ignorant to what his real problem is and even that's hard to do with all the ****ing misinformation out there as to what people should eat. And who's fault is this misinformation? Science and government. I mean, when even someone like you who's aware that carbs are a problem posts crap about calorie dense foods and not exercising then how can you blame Christie?
Antone, while I agree that you're responsible for your body, you're being intellectually dishonest. Who should you trust more, your doctor, the AMA and .gov or some author and a few internet bloggers? Sure, here on TF we know better but there is no way you can blame j6p for following the former. They simply haven't woken up yet.
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To err is human. To really **** things up takes government.
I'm sick of giving people a pass because they are ignorant. **** that ****. I stand by what I say in that if you acting on your own free will, no one is responsible for the things you do to your body but you. I agree that coercion makes it difficult, but everybody has the ability to seek out the facts themselves if they see that what they've been told their whole life is wrong.
I've made several complete 180s because I took responsibility to question the dogma I've been told my whole life and figure out what the likely truth is. I'm no better than Christie so why can't he take responsibility and do the same?
Some people are Calorie sensitive and some are Carb sensitive....
Chris Christie is obese from over-eating and inactivity over a number of years. I bet he drinks 1-2 liters of sugary drinks per day and has coffee as well.
As a man if you can't look down and see your Johnson, then it is time to eat better, quit the beer, and exercise.
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and Prosperous by letting the US Government Officials take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
There is such a thing as being responsible for the advice you take and heed. If he's been fed bad advice, it's up to him to recognize it and make changes. No one is responsible for your body but you. Period.
Exactly.
Lunatic, **** you! You are being dishonest and I refuse to have a conversation with you until you stop it. Selectively quoting someone is completely dishonest. DID I NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HIGH CARBS ARE A PROBLEM?!?!?! IF YES, THEN PLEASE **** OFF NOW! TYIA
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Lunatic_fringe
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Selectively quoting someone is completely dishonest.
Is that some sort of a joke? Your statement certainly wasn't clear, if someone took your comment as written they'd think that in order to lose weight they'd have to avoid fat as well as carbs and exercise like a fiend - two of those three things are totally incorrect. Get your facts straight and then you can tell me to **** off if I get on your case.
Antone wrote..
I'm sick of giving people a pass because they are ignorant. **** that ****.
I don't get mad at people because they're ignorant as there's no telling when the light bulb might click on. Maybe Christie will see the light tomorrow or next week. Who knows... What I do wish is that if the light bulb doesn't click on we'd let natural selection take care of things instead of spending trillions on life support.
Christie is morbidly obese and he's been that way for years. No doubt he has great medical insurance as the gov of NJ and access to the latest information needed to lose those excess pounds. No way could such a intelligent and lucid man not recognize that he's morbidly obese. I can only conclude that Christie has either 1) accepted his body size as is and doesn't care, or 2) wants to lose weight but doesn't have the discipline needed to follow a program.
But one thing's for sure: He's not a victim, as the problem is not beyond his own capabilities to solve it.
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"Ammunition beats persuasion when you are looking for freedom." Will Rogers, 4 Nov 1879 - 15 Aug 1935