Fraud is fraud and advocacy of it is cause for a ban.

Your choice if you want to stick around or not, but this is twice. You need to consider whether this is ACTUALLY your position or not, and if it is, say goodbye.

Are we talking about Cloward-Piven in action?

The duo taught that if you flooded the welfare rolls and bankrupted the cities and ultimately the nation, it would foster economic collapse, which would lead to political turmoil so severe that socialism would be accepted as a fix to an out-of-control set of circumstances.

The idea was that if people were starving and the only way to eat was to accept government cheese, rather than starve, the masses would agree to what they would otherwise reject.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/c....

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The duo taught that if you flooded the welfare rolls and bankrupted the cities and ultimately the nation, it would foster economic collapse, which would lead to political turmoil so severe that socialism would be accepted as a fix to an out-of-control set of circumstances.

The first thing the FSA would do is riot and loot. There are so many people with guns in this country that only the unarmed would be looted, and the FSA would be no more. The problem with the left is - their cognitive disorder prevents them from assessing cause and effect accurately. In other words, they get a lot of people killed for their ideas.

Genesis, if you want to put it into those terms, of such being 'fraud', then definitely, I would never advocate that anyone make a false statement on an application for a government benefit.

But if someone has sent out thousands of job applications to positions they're qualified to perform, receiving little or no response, and no job -- I'm personally not very surprised that a number of individuals in such situations develop depression. From personal experience I can tell you it is extremely de-humanizing to pour your heart into a large number of job applications only to have them fall into a black hole.

The point of my posts was to point out that there's a huge difference between the sort of individual who diligently has gone to school, learned a skill, a trade, or a profession, and, heaven forbid, can't find a job in spite of thousands of targetted job applications. Versus the sort of low-life high-school dropout, lazy alcoholic bum who doesn't even try to find a job or engage in efforts at self-improvement (ie: quitting alcohol) before claiming a government benefit (or at least firing an application to those truck driver jobs cited above).

Most government programs to these ends are highly flawed, especially because of their one-size-fits-all approach to things. And not all people who are on disability or welfare want to be on it -- I would suggest that most would rather be working and contributing.

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The problem with the left is -their cognitive disorder prevents them from assessing cause and effect accurately. In other words, they get a lot of people killed for their ideas.

The "smart" left knows this is true, that's why they support it. Where they still fail is the think they are going to be one of the "special" ones who is saved and gets to live in thier newly created utopian society. The real "special" ones, the left puppet masters thank them and laugh at them.

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I would suggest that most would rather be working and contributing.

If that was the case...they would be. Maybe not in the field they studied for such a long time, etc...but jobs are out there.

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But if someone has sent out thousands of job applications to positions they're qualified to perform, receiving little or no response, and no job

Then perhaps it's time to think about changing professions...not an easy thing...but every generation goes through it...it seems that the last couple are the only ones that think they're entitled to government handouts (armed robbery) when their field goes in the crapper...and if they can't get the government to rob others for them, then they resort to fraud...

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Maybe not in the field they studied for such a long time, etc...but jobs are out there.

If jobs were really out there, then we'd have 0% unemployment. In my profession, yes, there are a few jobs out there, but they're given to foreign guest workers in preference to domestic applicants. Without even bothering to assess, in most circumstances, as required by law, whether the domestic applicant pool could perform the job.

In the case of tech workers, the government has allowed, without punishment, a large-scale system of fraud against them.

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Then perhaps it's time to think about changing professions

Not that easy, especially when one has already made a deep and rich investment in their existing profession that would ordinarily have good job prospects if not for the downturn in the economy and fraud-ridden economic policy (ie: H-1B). And retraining is extremely expensive as well, and highly risky as employers may view a person as "overqualified" or 'not retainable'.

Besides, what fields are in demand, that will remain in demand once the government's ability to borrow and spend collapses? That haven't already seen a massive supply-side response?

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Then perhaps it's time to think about changing professions

Not that easy, especially when one has already made a deep and rich investment in their existing profession that would ordinarily have good job prospects if not for the downturn in the economy and fraud-ridden economic policy (ie: H-1B). And retraining is extremely expensive as well, and highly risky as employers may view a person as "overqualified" or 'not retainable'.

So what?

You're not entitled to either happiness or success. Only to the right to attempt to find both.

That your "existing profession" has turned to **** happens. You're not entitled to avoidance of that potential outcome.

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when one has already made a deep and rich investment in their existing profession

Whining about it won't change the situation, but keep at it and see how that works out for you.

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And retraining is extremely expensive as well, and highly risky as employers may view a person as "overqualified" or 'not retainable'.

So why bother? Get others to pay your freight and be honest and proud about leeching off of others.

Damn, the leech**** mentality is thick in here.... so now we DESERVE to find a job, in the field we studied for, and should be able to live off the public tit if we can't find it? Where do I sign up!?


On second thought, no, **** THAT - it's when supposedly intelligent people espouse things like this, that I PRAY for the collapse - they can go live with the inner-city leech****s whom they normally indentify with and see what happens when the gubmint stops filling their bellies along with their EBT cards.

We have two open positions for network engineers right now. I think one is a lead position and tops out around $125K and the other is somewhere around $80-95K. Just sitting there, waiting for someone to apply... who wants to work....

Boonedocks...LOVE the avatar...and that song apparently fell on completely deaf ears...or blank minds.

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f jobs were really out there, then we'd have 0% unemployment.

What a load of bullocks!

Pitz probably if you get rid of h1b obsession and spend time on developing may be more skills instead of relying on top of the class **** and look for jobs you might find something.

Looking at your unemployment record border control might reject your tn visa too.

Yes that song zeros in on a problem just 6 years after LBJ declared a “War on Poverty”. It was staring us all in the face thru the 70s 80s then foreigners got into the act and by the late 90s that was one BIG SNOW BALL coming down the hill! The folks in California tried to put the brakes on it in 1994 with Prop 187 which passed by a whopping margin. They said that California would be BK within a decade if this wasn’t passed. But the Janet Reno justice dept jumped in and voided a state election. One other thing I would like to point out, all of these special wars that our former Presidents have declared. JFKs war on “Organized Crime” LBJs “War on Poverty” RRs “ War on Drugs” GBs “War on Terrorism” has done more damage to our constitution and voided most of the bill of rights. This is more than Hitler, Tojo and Stalin could have hoped for. But let me end on a funny note.

Trivial Pursuit 90s question card # 254

Green What six-foot-tall former alligator wrestler became Bill Clinton’s top cop in 1993?

Prop 187

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_....

I know a person that is 52 years old and had knee surgery and is walking around fine. This prick gets $1200 a month in DI, each of his 3 kids gets $600 a piece and his exwife another $600 a month. On top of it he gets medicaid. Don't know if he lied his way into food stamps, but this holiday week he drove to San Diego and blew $400 on dinner twice.

The only way you should qualify for this program if you are missing a limb or blind or was injured in the military. This crap about being depressed is so common today that 90% of the country would qualify. Every time I see Obama on TV, one of the banksters, or any other politician lying his ass off , a deep depression comes over me. I don't run out and apply for the BS and I see no justification for anyone else doing it. The one thing that made this country great was the ability to go out and do whatever it takes to make it.
Too many people have tasted the poison of "free ****" and it has killed their soul. Obama and the rest of his corrupt cronies eat this up and want as many people tasting the forbidden fruit as possible.

Good on him.... He's doing more to bring the system down than you voting sheeple ever will!

Only the 1% get to commit fraud, duh.

I had to put up with the same crap from so many people who thought i was just being lazy. Try having no money no food and being told you are over qualified for every job you apply for. When if you don't get some money you don't eat that week. When there are no jobs there are no jobs.
Thank goodness for some true friends.
A lot of smug people are only a divorce, death in the family, or an unforeseen event away from having there life fall apart. I have seen it happen to people i would never guess.

if anyone is exceptionally gifted/educated/qualified the idea is that they'll bring more to their employer in income than they will otherwise cost.

but, if that's the case, they should really strike out on their own.

not every business takes mountains of start-up capital (consulting, for example). and yes, if you studied nuclear physics, you might have to even (gasp!) work outside your area of study (heaven forbid).

but, once prospective employers see you out killing what you eat on your own you're going to be a lot more desirable to them.

then it's up to you whether you'll fall for that '10 days of vacation/sick time per year' nonsense and become someone else's employee again.

the biggest thing holding most people back is fear of failure. but, working to build someone else's asset (business) leaves you with **nothing** if something happens and you get let go. people ought to be more afraid of *that*, imo.

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...When there are no jobs there are no jobs...

A lot of smug people are only a divorce, death in the family, or an unforeseen event away from having there life fall apart. I have seen it happen to people i would never guess.

1) When there are no jobs, MAKE ONE.
2) My life has fallen apart more times than I can remember. I have flipped burgers, washed dishes, served in the military, worked as a machinist, worked as a CAD operator, worked in roofing, carpentry, painting, electrical, plumbing, worked in IT, ran my own websites, as well as running 4 companies (I was partner in each) and I'm still one tragedy away from everything falling apart yet again. If it happens, guess what I'll do.

We all need to stop making excuses for the leech****s. They're brainwashed, and know nothing else, but they are PERFECTLY CAPABLE of doing what I did...and I have ZERO respect for them, until/unless they take responsibility for themselves...ANY responsibility...and get off their tit-sucking asses, and get to work.

Johnny one note and yard gnome experts... real solution = never 'work'...

Flipping burgers would not employ me as too over qualified and would not stay, Ditto with all other medial tasks.

50 years old with health problems, would not pass basic training plus my daughter was in the military and she said qualified people returning as no other work so intakes had dried up.
Here in Aus Plumbing, Electrical work you must be licenced and requires a four year apprenticeship plus exams.
Working in the mines here even dried up I applied for those and did not even get an interview Probably because of my age and not having the required licences which are not cheap to obtain especially when you don't have the funds.
I applied for night fill, shop work you name it. AGAIN NO WORK NO MONEY. I always have had good work records and I will do anything but I could not get any thing. I even tried delivering junk mail here but the people would not get back to me. Gardening websites NOTHING.
I was unfortunate that I was with one company for 15 years and when the night shift closed down my job went. That probably made my contact list very small.
Lucky for me, after 6 months I finally got a break and was then given more work and yes some of these jobs were horrendous one place the chemicals caused me to have a constant nose bleed, I emptied containers, Sorted things all these jobs I am truly greatful for.
Luckily now I have credentials out there and I can turn down work if I wish. But through my experience I will never ever blame a genuine person for there unemployed predicament.
The one thing that really ****ted me though was people saying I was just not trying hard enough to get a job. I tried everything I could but nothing worked for the first six months and all it did was cost me money. One placed called me in to a Final interview as i was on the short list. They wanted to make a decision that day as they wanted someone to start Monday. The employment agency was right in the city and they needed me asap so I raced in the only place I could find to park was a place that charged $35.00 to park. When I finally got through the bs the lady told me they had filled the job internally. WTF.
One final note. I live in Australia any one that wants work can get it has always been my thought thats why at first I was not overly worried.