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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16937
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/....Quote:Police officer killed victim of break-in Friends, family angry as questions go unanswered; one man charged
Maybe if the police officer had arrived just a minute later, the young man would still be alive.
That’s what the friends and family of Destin Thomas say, after Columbus police confirmed yesterday that it was one of their own officers who shot and killed Thomas while responding to a 911 call he had made on Tuesday morning.
Police gave few details yesterday about what happened between the 21-year-old Thomas and Officer William Kaufman, a 17-year veteran, citing the ongoing investigation.
They said that Kaufman shot Thomas twice, in his hip and chest. Thomas died at the scene.
“The fact that they’re trying to justify it, no apology or nothing, (just saying), ‘Oh, we’re just doing what we were trained to do,’” said Thomas’ cousin Derek Harris, 24. “I didn’t know you were trained to kill the person you were supposed to help.”
Police also said yesterday that they’ve charged a man who they had said earlier was thought to be involved in the break-in at Thomas’ Far East Side apartment — the reason that Thomas had called police.
David J. O’Neal, 19, of Shaker Heights, Ohio, is charged with grand theft auto, vandalism and receiving stolen property — all fourth-degree felonies — as well as a count of obstructing official business, a fifth-degree felony.
All of those charges are in connection to a stolen police cruiser that authorities say O’Neal took from an officer who was patrolling about a half-mile from Thomas’ apartment on Tuesday afternoon.
So far, O’Neal hasn’t been charged in the break-in, though Sgt. Rich Weiner, spokesman for Columbus police, said other charges could be filed. O’Neal was in the Fairfield County jail tonight under $500,000 bond.
Thomas was found with a gun next to his body, but police haven’t said where that gun came from or whether Thomas even had it in his hand when he was shot.
His roommate and cousin have both said that Thomas didn’t own a gun, and they think he somehow got the weapon off the men who broke into his apartment at 7277 Brooke Blvd.
Thomas’ roommate, DelShawn Walker, 22, said his friend had no interest in guns. “He said on several occasions, ‘I don’t plan on getting a gun. I don’t need one,’” he said.
Walker and Harris are angry with police. Thomas was the one the police were supposed to be protecting, they said.
“If (the officer) didn’t show up on time, he’d still be alive today, because he did their job for them (by chasing the burglars out),” Harris said.
Police have said that Officer Kaufman saw Thomas and another man run from the apartment. A neighbor said that a third man also ran from it, though police so far have arrested only O'Neal.
When Thomas called 911 at 8:46 a.m. Tuesday, he said in a whispered voice that people had broken into his apartment and he could hear them talking.
O’Neal was caught several hours later when Police Officer Billie Camp-Donovan saw him and recognized him as a suspect wanted in connection with the break-in. She jumped from her cruiser to chase him, and he doubled back and stole the cruiser, police say. Camp-Donovan then fired six gunshots at the cruiser, though she didn’t hit O’Neal.
The county prosecutor’s office will review both officers’ actions.
Walker and Harris wonder why, if Thomas was holding a gun when he ran from his apartment, the officer didn’t ask him to put it down. Knowing Thomas, they said, he would have immediately.
“I honestly believe he was trying to tell them, ‘I’m the one who called you,’” Walker said. “But they didn’t give him a chance.”
Police officers, though, say they have little time to sort out a situation when someone is holding a weapon.
Because of the rash of recent police shootings, officers held a demonstration of how they handle confrontations with armed people for media representatives at the Police Training Academy today.
Columbus Police Chief Kimberley Jacobs said it’s impossible for officers to predict what a person intends to do when that person approaches with a weapon.
“We have to be able to react in instantaneous fashion,” she said.
Asked if she was concerned that Thomas might have been wrongly shot, she said it “would be concerning if someone who has no (malicious intent) toward an officer was shot.”
“But we can’t predict that, and we can’t know that when someone has a gun in their hand.”
That explanation is little comfort to Thomas’ friend and cousin.
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Maybe it was a birdy bread-bomber from the future?!
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Jackjimbopits
Posts: 298
Incept: 2009-07-02
Phoenix, AZ
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I wonder who the gun is registered to - Sounds like a Drop to me!
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"Joe hasn't yet informed the president of his plans because he inadvertently ingested all of his black crayons" - Jackjimbopits
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Delphis
Posts: 1022
Incept: 2009-06-04
Washington
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peasant wrote..“I didn’t know you were trained to kill the person you were supposed to help.” This. bootjack thug wrote..“We have to be able to react in instantaneous fashion,” yup, and this...seems like the "instantaneaous" reaction is always the same...
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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."....Albert Einstein "Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence."...George Washington
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Lumpeninvestor
Posts: 2346
Incept: 2007-10-16
98072, USSA
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Sounds like some paid vacations and strongly worded reprimands are in order here.
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Distributing insolvency only destroys the last remaining islands of solvency in a bankrupt world. - Charles Hugh Smith 8/23/2012
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Spazznout
Posts: 1704
Incept: 2009-04-15
Columbus, Ohio
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The CPD (Columbus Police Department) are getting out of control this summer. I often listen to the police scanner via radioreference.com while I am reading in the evenings. A few weeks back and officer unloads on a fleeing suspect in downtown Columbus. His crime. Peeing in public. The officer does not hit the suspect, and instead hits a innocent bystander a few hundred feet away who is now paralyzed. The radio traffic was bizarre. Once it was determined it was an officer involved shooting and that they had a civilian as they put it down, Everyone telling everyone to shut up basically and to switch to other encrypted channels. You could immediately tell a change in the demeanor of the radio traffic from the lieutenants ans sergeants as well as almost horrified dispatcher as she is the one who dispatched the innocent hit bystander via a 911 call.
The police are starting loose the respect of even good people in this city. The us vs them mentality has taken over the city and local sub-burb pds for the most part. The only reason the officers arrived so quickly to this incident in the OP is because it happened early in the morning. After 6 pm until early morning the normal response time for police is between 15-45 min. Its sickening to hear the dispatchers in desperation at times trying to get an officer to take burglary and assault in progress calls as they are getting multiple 911 calls and the first one came in 30 min earlier. On the weekends, if the dispatcher is not hearing gunshots or it an officer in distress call, forget about even calling. Its a joke. You better be able to take care of whatever situation you are in on your own.
The Brave New World. This is why we have an active PATROLLING blockwatch group on my street. With vigilance they work.
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"In a land without Rule of Law even a sane man who desecrates the state must be made to look crazy. " Rubicon Jan. 9, 2011 blog post. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
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Bagbalm
Posts: 4262
Incept: 2009-03-19
Just North of Detroit
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Instantaneously shoot anybody with a gun not a cop.
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Spazznout
Posts: 1704
Incept: 2009-04-15
Columbus, Ohio
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Bag, or*****ing in public. I guess some guys classify their junk as a gun. The PD is loosing the respect of the community. Good people are starting to no longer trust the CPD.
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"In a land without Rule of Law even a sane man who desecrates the state must be made to look crazy. " Rubicon Jan. 9, 2011 blog post. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."
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J0nx
Posts: 3068
Incept: 2008-08-12
The trashcan of the nation
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And in a twist of irony, the guy they arrested for breaking and entering will be the one who gets the murder wrap pinned on him. Nice banana republic we live in eh.
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The fraud and lies are only allowed to continue because the people allow it. Either through apathy or ignorance, they still allow it.
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Wearedoomed
Posts: 3585
Incept: 2009-01-14
slightly red state
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And you, my father, there on the sad height, Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Seekingwisdom
Posts: 877
Incept: 2008-10-21
Terra
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Quote:Columbus Police Chief Kimberley Jacobs said it’s impossible for officers to predict what a person intends to do when that person approaches with a weapon.
“We have to be able to react in instantaneous fashion,” she said. In general, the rules for police engaging citizens of the United States are now much looser than the rules of engagement for hostiles by the US military in foreign countries. What is wrong with this picture?
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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Well, mistake #1 Calling the cops for anything. What would you expect?
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Jack_crabb
Posts: 2477
Incept: 2010-06-25
Peoples' Republik of Maryland
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Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
Reason: fix embed. Thanks, Asi!
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Asimov
Posts: 104059
Incept: 2007-08-26
East Tennessee Eastern Time
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Jack: Just put a space after youtube
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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity. If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.
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Vitchilo
Posts: 4626
Incept: 2011-04-27
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That's why you NEVER call police.
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"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
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Lbbtx224
Posts: 168
Incept: 2011-09-06
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I wonder if the guy even had insurance to cover the stuff stolen and had serial numbers of valuables written down? That's the ONLY reason to call police to report a burglary -- to get a police report to file a claim and maybe get some of your stuff back -- that is if it doesn't "get lost" from the evidence room first, in the unlikely event they even recover it.
A few months back somebody who lives near me called the police about a burglary -- the cops came in the house and started snooping around during their "investigation" and found some marijuana and arrested them for that. Nice, call the police for their "help" and their first priority is to look for some excuse to bust YOU.
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