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My guess is that American intelligence has determined Assange has even more damning information and is holding back only because the brits have him caged. Once in Ecuador he's free to publish.

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I think he will just wait in the embassy, doesn't really have a choice. If he were to leave, he would be arrested and held without bail in Britain, then sent to Sweden and held without bail, then given over to U.S. custody and held without bail indefinitely. Indefinite house arrest with friendlies or indefinite custody with the enemy? Seems like an easy choice.

Also, a lot can happen in a few years. Governments can change and you never know which way the political winds will blow. In 5 years, the U.K. might be very amenable to him leaving freely.
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Vitchilo wrote..
Ecuador should tell the UK they'll give him Assange when they give Blair to the Iraq courts. And if the US wants him, they can give Hillary, Obama, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld to Iraq... THEN they can have Assange.
Well... I'm good with that trade. Everyone else here good?

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Heh. I had already planned a trip to Ecuador in January. I am pleased to be supporting them at this hour in their history.

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The Union of South American Nations (Unasur) is due to hold an "extraordinary meeting" in Ecuador on Sunday to discuss the situation at the embassy in London.

A statement released on the website of Peru's foreign ministry, which holds the rotating presidency of the intergovernmental union, said:

"The foreign ministry of Peru [informs the public] that, in concordance with the statutory responsibilities of the temporary presidency of Unasur, at the behest of the Republic of Ecuador and after consulting member states, an extraordinary meeting of the [Council] of Foreign Ministers of the Union has been [scheduled for] Sunday August 19 in the city of Guayaquil, Ecuador.

"The meeting has been requested with the intention of considering the situation raised at the embassy of Ecuador in the United Kingdom."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/aug....

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Declaration by the Government of the Republic of Ecuador on Julian Assange’s asylum application

http://wikileaks-press.org/press-confere....
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Hell if UNASUR is supporting Ecuador, they have way enough capabilities to sneak him out of there in a helicopter or escort him with troops from the embassy to a diplomatic plane...

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Is the UK willing to declare war on Brazil to get Assange (and Chile/Argentina/Colombia/etc.) smiley

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Ramthebulls : you never know with these crazy bastards... If the UK declares war on South America, NATO is nuts enough to join in.

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If he were to leave, he would be arrested and held without bail in Britain, then sent to Sweden and held without bail, then given over to U.S. custody and held without bail indefinitely. Indefinite house arrest with friendlies or indefinite custody with the enemy? Seems like an easy choice.


This is the one thing I can't understand: why would Assange be in more threat of this in Sweden than he was in Britain? U.S. and Britain have bilater extradiction treaty that goes much deeper than the EU - U.S. treaty that applies between U.S. and Sweden, British courts have historically taken far less critical view on extraditing people to U.S. than Swedish courts, and it would be politically far easier for a British prime minister (especially a conservative one) to extradite Assange to U.S. than for Swedish prime minister to do the same -- the latter would be outright political suicide.

If the situation was reversed (Assange being transferred from Sweden to UK), I could understand that fear. But anyway I look, Assange should be safer of being given to U.S. custody in Sweden than he is in Britain.
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I suspect the fact that the Swedes are investigating him for sexual offences makes the whole thing politically easier. Smear him thoroughly first, then deport him to the US.

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And now Russia enters.

http://www.france24.com/en/20120817-russ....
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Russia issues warning to Britain over Assange

Russia on Friday warned Britain against violating fundamental diplomatic principles after London suggested it could arrest WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange inside Ecuador's embassy.


Russia is right on this one. If more countries weren't run by pussies, they would say the same thing.

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The United States says it does not believe in ''diplomatic asylum'' after Ecuador offered to let WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who is wanted in Sweden on sexual assault allegations, stay indefinitely in its London embassy.

An emergency meeting of the Organisation of American States has voted 23 to three in favour of a resolution proposed by Ecuador to convene a meeting of OAS foreign ministers this Friday at its Washington headquarters to discuss the standoff with Britain over Assange. The US, Canada, and Trinidad and Tobago voted against the resolution.

Ecuador's President Rafael Correa said Assange would remain in Quito's embassy as long as Britain refused to give him safe passage out. ''Mr Assange can stay indefinitely in our embassy,'' Mr Correa said. Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said Sweden would ''wait and see what happens''.

Under a 1954 agreement, the OAS agreed to allow asylum in diplomatic missions for ''persons being sought for political reasons'', although not individuals indicted for ''common offences''. In a statement, the State Department said the US was ''not a party to the 1954 OAS Convention on Diplomatic Asylum and does not recognise the concept of diplomatic asylum as a matter of international law''. ''We believe this is a bilateral issue between Ecuador and the United Kingdom and that the OAS has no role to play in this matter,'' it said.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/no-to-diplom....
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Etika: how many people even know where sweden is? It will be much easier to make assange dissapear fromw sweden. The uk has a mch higher profile.

Legally assange also Expected the EU Human Rights Act to protect him. He thought wrong. While the eu human rights act has succesfully been used by HUNDREDs of radical islamic militants to stay in the eu and to avoid being arrested in their home countries (yemen saudi etc) ... But the british courts turned on him and instead felt his human rights are at risk. Clearly it is a game assweden wont interview in the uk ( cause hey the just wNt to tLk to him...) nor give a promose to not extradite him - which ecuador asked for BEFORE deciding to giveh asylum.

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The United States says it does not believe in ''diplomatic asylum'' after Ecuador offered to let WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who is wanted in Sweden on sexual assault allegations, stay indefinitely in its London embassy.

Well that's about what I'd expect from the criminal Clint-O-Bush-Bama regime.

Look you either follow the rule of law or you don't. Assange has been granted asylum and according to the Vienna convention on international diplomacy he is not to be touched. Rather than try to split legal hairs these criminals in the US state department should just admit that they don't care about the rule of law and declare that they are imperialistic overlords who just make up whatever rules they want according to situational ethics.

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They're welcome to do that but the consequences for US diplomats in other nations could be particularly severe.

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The catch for Mr. Assange is that Ecuador’s granting of asylum appears to have left him no closer to any long-term relief from his legal problems, as he remains confined to the Ecuadorean Embassy’s second-story suite of rooms in a central London apartment block. Sanctuary in Quito, Ecuador’s capital, is 5,700 miles away, as reachable for Mr. Assange, in practical terms, as Mars.

Outside the apartment block, covering all possible escape routes front and back, and at strategic points inside, including the lobby, staircase and elevator access areas, a squad of about 50 Scotland Yard police officers stand ready to arrest Mr. Assange if he ventures out of the embassy and its cocoon of diplomatic immunity. More police officers wait in two vans nearby, along with a large armored transporter of the kind used to carry prisoners.

British newspapers, quoting Scotland Yard, say the watch is costing $80,000 a day, at a time when the London police force is under orders to cut 20 percent of its budget as part of the government’s austerity drive. Officials say those expenses are only part of the overall bill incurred in the Assange case, which has included 18 months of court hearings and has cost British taxpayers millions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/world/....
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They're welcome to do that but the consequences for US diplomats in other nations could be particularly severe.

Right, like having your embassies in Latin America and Africa burned to the ground and overrun by locals.

They likely know full well that they can't back up their bluster. But like the Fed clowns they're good at jawboning and not much else.

As for how to get Assange out of there, how about a tunnel? Or a body double? Send the body double out and while the cops are distracted arresting him, meanwhile the real Assange walks out the front door and into a waiting armored limo with a few ex-KGB agents to protect him. I bet there are plenty of Russian agents who could help get him to the coast and a waiting boat to take them to international waters.

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British newspapers, quoting Scotland Yard, say the watch is costing $80,000 a day, at a time when the London police force is under orders to cut 20 percent of its budget as part of the government’s austerity drive


Oh, boo hoo. They could easily save that $80K/day by calling off the guards.

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They likely know full well that they can't back up their bluster. But like the Fed clowns they're good at jawboning and not much else.
that's the bet Saddam Hussein made.

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At least one of the lawyers at the Foreign Office (FCO) expressed concern over the warning that Britain could use the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 to "storm" the embassy building and remove Assange, who faces sex crime allegations in Sweden. A senior Whitehall source said yesterday that staff feared the move could provoke retaliatory attacks against British embassies overseas.
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Under Ecuador's asylum offer, Assange is not permitted to make political statements, restrictions that are standard for anyone granted asylum, said an Ecuadorian Foreign Ministry official.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol....
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