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Tickerguy
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47% of those who have died "of" Covid hadn't?

Now subtract all those who didn't actually die of Covid, but died with it, of which we know there are many (but an indeterminate number) as well.

You're now at a death rate materially UNDER that of seasonal flu.

Would you put up with any sort of constraint at all?
Well, why did you? More to the point, why are you STILL doing so?

What if the mitigation to stop that 47% of deaths cost a few pennies?
What if many (but not all) people can use it at the first sign of trouble?
What if it's available anywhere in the United States without a prescription?
What if it doesn't even have an age constraint on its purchase?
What if literal millions of people have taken it every single year in the US alone?
What if it's been around as a drug for over 120 years?
What if its precursor, a natural substance, has been used as a medicine for more than 2,000 years?
What if there are decent odds you have a bottle of it in your home right now?

Now how mad are you going to get over screaming about vaccines, masks, closing businesses and other similar ****ery when an answer to Covid infections with that change in outcomes is right under all of our noses and, by the way, we had good reason to believe it might work in MARCH but have NOT pursued it in any sort of random trial?

Did we not pursue it because it's so cheap nobody would have made a nickel off the virus, there would be no tests, no vaccines developed, no remdesivir, no big hospital bills, no billions for worthless ventilators, Jeff Bezos would have NOT nearly doubled his net worth (along with a handful of other monopolists), no Covid task force, no lockdowns, no masks and 100,000 Grannies would still be alive -- there would just be a moderately nasty bug that circulates around, warrants some attention because it does make people sick but in fact kills fewer than the flu.

What's the drug called?
Aspirin.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/hospitali....

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BTW -- if you recall I was very skeptical of both NSAIDS *and* many BP Meds early on because there was reason to believe that they might enhance a Covid infection.

Over time that was disproved.
But nobody did the opposite analysis.

Only the disproving part (that they were dangerous) for BP Meds.

This all comes back to what we knew in March -- you don't die "of Covid" (the virus) per-se; we knew that ferratin, d-Dimer and troponins going out of range all were signs of serious trouble and atypical for flu, but very typical for anyone who was going to get it bad with a Covid infection.

This is almost always true for viral infections, incidentally. Damn near none of them kill you directly; it's almost-always the secondary damage, often initiated by your own body turning against itself.

Rather than immediately try to deal with what we knew was definitely screwed up in someone who was getting hammered early on we played games with shoving tubes down people's throats, which killed them quite reliably. Then we started playing with new, exotic and expensive drugs along with spending billions on rushed vaccines for which we cannot prove safety for years.

As I pointed out fairly early on Medicare knew damn well whether HCQ worked to prevent infections and if so whether the association was statistically significant. Virtually everyone with Lupus or RA is in some way disabled and a huge percentage of them are on Plaquenil as a long-term maintenance drug. CMS knows damn well who's gotten Covid among Medicare patients. Either the correlation was there to support investigating further or it was not. To date, as far as I know, that one simple "select" statement on their database has not been run.

I'm rather surprised this report saw the light of day. But the magnitude of the change here is not small. It's a moderately small sample size, which is the only problem with it in computing a confidence interval. But that's easily fixed, and we have the ability to use a natural experiment on all those who have wound up in the hospital with Covid already for which there is no risk, by looking at the rate of serious illness progression and death separating out by whether they're using a daily regime for other reasons or not.

Why hasn't THAT been done already?

Because there's no money in it -- that's why.

These ghouls murdered your grandmother and they're going to keep doing it until you stop them by whatever means must be employed to do so.

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NSAIDS was disproved? I missed that.

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@Asimov - A study I wrote on a few months back where they had no evidence for high blood pressure medication being correlated with more nastiness.

Given the number of people who have gotten hammered with those co-morbidities if the association was there it would have absolutely shown up in the data -- and didn't.

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Good to know. I went and looked after I asked that and I see that it's a pretty widespread opinion, and like you said, it should have shown up in the data if it was for real.


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Too many people have both kicked off and beaten Covid at this point and hypertension, at least in moderate cases, takes decades to get you. Discontinuing it for a year or so won't kill you and if the hazard ratio was there we would have seen it by now.

This is why I said originally that based on the plausibility of said risk I would talk to my doc if I was on the stuff and I personally shelved aspirin for a while and bought a bottle of Tylenol despite never normally using it because I don't like the liver toxicity profile of it one bit. The Tylenol never got used, and if I had a reason to use a fever reducer or mild pain reliever now it would be aspirin.

Were I on high blood pressure meds I would have discontinued it for a while until we had a better idea; by mid-summer there was enough data and a couple of studies written up that was enough to convince me that while the mechanism link was plausible, it didn't happen. That was the whole point of the caution; the risk of it biting you hard was moderate .vs. the risk of TEMPORARY suspension. Now if you're SEVERELY hypertensive then the equation may be an entirely different thing.

Hazard ratios ALWAYS have to be taken into consideration when choosing any particular medical course of action. You're nuts if you don't.

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I have aspirin, somewhere. I gave up on it because it did ****-all for the pain that I needed relieving, while Tylenol (more precisely the generic form) at least worked most of the time.

I'd thought for a minute you'd say tonic water, which I've consumed on and off, on the idea that quinine is simply HCQ without the HC. My only concern is whether I might have to drink a whole tanker full of the stuff to get a theraputic dose.
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That's the problem -- "Tonic water" nowdays has more flavoring in it than actual quinine and I would expect it to be medically worthless.

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High iron levels occur when decompensating with COVID so aspirin, blood thinner, makes sense.

They've been playing around with heparin, not sure if they saw benefit.

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