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Nobody in their right mind should be using Treasuries as anything other than a "flight to safety" cash park at any time in the last ten years, and for the foreseeable future. Why? They have had and continue to have negative real coupon rates compared to inflation. Why would anyone in their right mind take an intentional loss on their "investments"?

Don Cox has a classic line for how long anyone should hold treasury bonds these days.

...."The length of time anyone should hold a treasury bond is about as long as one would hold a grenade after the pin has been pulled."

Sad to learn the Ron Paul is a coward.

Genesis wrote..

Oh, and his assistant, Ms. Jennifer Bailey, denied having The White Paper or the signatures from Mr. Paul's constituents despite me having HARD LOGS that they were received

hahaha. So they are upset that they are recieving faxes from you even at their new number, but deny recieving faxes from you.

Brilliant!

I'm wondering if they might get more than one or two faxes a day..... I get a few a day, and couldn't tell you what I received 6 weeks ago.

Some people might think it the height of arrogance to think that a congressman is sitting around waiting for a fax from them - and that they should be reading your faxes personally from start to finish, looking for the nugget of wisdom that will finally solve this pesky financial crisis. As for me..... I'll suggest no such thing.

What I will suggest is that Dr. Paul deeply cares about the economic issues we face, and has a handle on economic theory that the sum total of every member of the ticker forum cannot approach. The fact that he didn't read a random fax from someone he doesn't know - and has no reason to suspect he would be finding wisdom from on high contained within the same - isn't an indictment in the slightest. It simply shows a realistic demonstration of good prioritization.

I'm sure that the disdain shown by posters is all in good faith though - you were ambivalent about the Good Doctor, but this has shown you that he is part of the problem. Not reading the fax is the line in the sand....

You'll excuse me while I choke back my laughter. You simply haven't ever been able to understand why he didn't share your collective passions for killing towel-heads with stolen loot - to keep us safe, of course - and you've never really cared for the way policies supporting real individual liberty shows your own politics to be supporting a sham sort of freedom, a poor imitation of the natural rights of man that were bestowed by our creator (but I digress). Saddam was just bidding his time - we all know that now, what with all the nukes and other evil weapons we carted off after deposing him and sacking the national infrastructure. Good thing we got to him before he could rain death on America from above!

You can hate anyone you want to hate for any reason you wish to hate them, but the bravado of the Paul-haters is comical. To believe the rhetoric of the war party(s), you have to buy that without a military presence in 120 countries around the globe, Osama would be hiding under your bed to cut your throat while you sleep.

So..... Just how did we justify our empire before Osama and Saddam came along? Oh yea..... the other intrinsically evil force in the world - the Soviets. A cynic might think that we were just using the convenient boogie man of the day to justify pillaging the wealth of the people to enrich partisans of the state. (But Eisenhower didn't really think that there was a danger of perpetual war bringing about the loss of our precious freedoms, did he? He just needed a few more lines to fill out the 15 minutes he was supposed to talk.) I'd argue that anyone with a brain might entertain that possibility, but I really had no idea exactly how strong the kool-aid is.... So salute the flag, sing god bless america and kiss the picture of W before you go to bed tonight - just don't ask any questions, and certainly don't suggest that the installation of a police/nanny state isn't in keeping with the social contract that is our constitution. You owe them (your saviors in Washington) at least that much for saving you from a two-bit camel jockey who has never accomplished anything without US backing. And you better dog-pile on the libertarian pointing out the incongruity - it's the least you can do to show your gratitude.

Ron Paul is a medical doctor.

Get your head out of your ass.

And by the way, not remembering getting the faxes is fine. It was an assistant that I was talking to.

What's unconscionable is refusing a retransmission.

Circpros wrote..

The fact that he didn't read a random fax from someone he doesn't know - and has no reason to suspect he would be finding wisdom from on high contained within the same - isn't an indictment in the slightest. It simply shows a realistic demonstration of good prioritization.

Yeah, that's why they're repeatedly whining about the faxes, because they didn't notice them!

Brilliant!


They prioritized their time in a way that caused them not to notice the fax, but prioritized their time to contact Karl?

Also brilliant!

Circpros wrote..

I'm sure that the disdain shown by posters is all in good faith though - you were ambivalent about the Good Doctor, but this has shown you that he is part of the problem. Not reading the fax is the line in the sand....

saying to stop sending faxed petitions with signatures from his constituency, you know, the people he's supposed to represent, might make for a better line in the sand, eh? Nah.

But then,(as you say) he and his staff can't be bothered to READ their faxes... faxes going to the fax number of a congressional office. Surely the fax number isn't set up for citizens to contact their congressman. Best to be safeguarded against by such a chance by not reading the faxes.

One must still be impressed that even though the faxes are unoticeable and remain unread, they still know who Karl is and how to contact him... without reading the fax! That is some pretty impressive stuff, and I am glad to see my tax dollars at work.

Well to be fair the reason they called me is that I faxed him The Ticker a couple of days ago.

You know, dealing with House Banking Committee stuff, on which he sits?

And since my phone number and name is on the coversheet, they called.

The funny part is that she CLAIMED should have called earlier "had she gotten the other faxes".

Oh really, said I, and pulled up the log files, giving her the number.

"Oh I didn't get anything like that"?

Oh really? You have a Brother MFC as a fax machine, right?

How did you know that?

Uh, IT TOLD ME WHEN I FAXED TO IT!

Crickets.......

Even if this was a critical lapse in judgment (it isn't even close), it would be the judgment of a secretary who probably is tired of the volume of faxes they receive - My staff has never been thrilled with the faxes we get either - it just means more work.

So am I off base - you folks have been big fans until you learned that a staffer of his didn't seem overjoyed about the retransmission of a fax? Gee.... I thought I had high expectations of legislators......

Circpros wrote..

Even if this was a critical lapse in judgment (it isn't even close), it would be the judgment of a secretary who probably is tired of the volume of faxes they receive

...as well as confused about the term "representative government"? What's that fax line FOR eh? What's that congressional office she works in FOR?


Does your staff call your business clients and refuse transmission of business-related materials?

Unless I misunderstand what Karl is saying, he asked if they got a signed petition, they said no, and refused to accept it. That's what's got my goat.

Circ,

Do you have a mancrush on Ron Paul? Why are you so staunchly defending him. He SUCKED at the Bear Stearns hearings. SUCKED, SUCKED, SUCKED. Almost all of them did. He's a freakin shill, just like the lot.

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You simply haven't ever been able to understand why he didn't share your collective passions for killing towel-heads with stolen loot - to keep us safe, of course - and you've never really cared for the way policies supporting real individual liberty shows your own politics to be supporting a sham sort of freedom, a poor imitation of the natural rights of man that were bestowed by our creator (but I digress). Saddam was just bidding his time - we all know that now, what with all the nukes and other evil weapons we carted off after deposing him and sacking the national infrastructure. Good thing we got to him before he could rain death on America from above!

What the **** are you talking about! Get down off your soapbox.

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Unless I misunderstand what Karl is saying, he asked if they got a signed petition, they said no, and refused to accept it. That's what's got my goat.

You did not misunderstand.

They called originally to ask that I not fax them MY stuff, as I don't live in his district.

Ok. I explained that I got my distribution list from the same place the petition system does (same software) and asked if they wanted me to turn THAT off too.

"Yes".

"You realize that this means you won't get faxes from CONSTITUENTS who sign petitions."

"Yes."

"Uh, you don't want to get faxes of petitions from CONSTITUENTS who LIVE IN YOUR DISTRCT."

"How did you get our fax number?"

"I called and asked for it."

"Impossible, we only give it to constituents."

"I had a fax to send from a constituent. I called, you gave it to me."

"We don't do that."

"Ok, a little green man from Mars gave me the number, or alternatively, I'm psychic and divined it. Take your pick if you don't want to believe your office gave it to me when I called."

"If you're sending it, we don't want it."

"So who pays to send it matters? If a constituent goes to Kinkos, you don't want it?"

"I didn't say that."

"Yes you did. Make up your mind - do you or do you not want petition signatures from constituents?"

"We do not want them."

"Ok - done - but I'm gonna tell them."

"Who?"

"Everyone, including your constituents."

"Fine."

Then today, she has a ****fit when I do exactly what I said I'd do.

She didn't realize who she was messing with.

Circ, I was a Ron Paul supporter too... WAS...

I was originally put off by Gen's criticism of RP... but then I saw Ron Paul himself prove Gen right. He totally let everyone down at B. Stearns hearings. Pathetic.

I like what he speeches about. But when he had his chance to actually make a difference when it mattered, he turned into a moonbat. I'm still embarrassed.

Ron Paul is an interesting dude. More soundbite than anything it appears. He appears to be an honorable man. Delivered several babies without ever accepting gov money for it. Does it for free instead. Has somewhat of an understanding of whats wrong it seems. Thinks the FED is full of **** and so on. But it appears to me that he didn't have any balls in the BSC hearings. Now it appears to me that he has some absolute fool workng in his office.

**** it throw them all out. Only one I trust is Jeff Flake anyway. 435 representatives and I would only vote to reelect one. My guy Todd Akin from MO is not the worst in the world but I'm voting him out. Vote em all out. Especially the good doc from TX if he doesn't fire this idiot and respond to Karl and or the Texans who have signed the petitions.

KD,

can you please explain your position here in regards to this point:

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You are paying $4/gallon for gasoline and twice as much for food specifically so that the banks who made these bad bets in the market don't have to eat their share of the loss! You tolerated being ripped off by the bankers, Wall Street and speculators during the housing bubble, so now they're robbing you again via your gas tank and grocery cart!

In particular to the price of oil, I am pretty sure you've made statements that you do not believe that there is 'much' speculation premium on the price of oil. Or am I misunderstanding the basis behind this comment?

First Ron Paul's staffer, then my server....looks like it's ****fits all around today!

Keep on 'em Gen. You're doing the right thing.

Ron Paul was either paid off, or threatened off...either way, he's now just as ineffective as the rest of those pork-barrel politicians in the Capitol. It's sad really, he almost had me convinced...almost. Hell, up until he waxed poetic at the hearing, I was even still considering him as a write-in candidate. There's no way I'm doing that now. Guess I'm stuck voting for McCain...because it'd be a cold day in Hell before I voted for Obama...a VERY cold day.

I too had hope for RP and am pretty*****ed to hear the response Gen got.

I agree with Superfund that he has had more than ample opportunities to raise hell on NUMEROUS occasions but simply barks and thats it.

Our govt isnt OUR govt anymore as in NOT IN OUR INTEREST WHATSOEVER.

Its so ****ed up and corrupt that current words cant describe the deep nepotism.

Its probably some fat psycho bitch secretary like usual but eitherway its beyond unprofessional.


I still think RP is a true conservative at heart and MCFack is a complete sell out *****.


Freaking bring back Patrick J Buchannon.

Peace.

The thing that put me off about RP was his followers. Because of them, I never even tried to find out what his positions were, on anything. They managed (or at least tried) to shout down any/everyone on every public forum; krazy to the nth. Freeky folks.

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They called originally to ask that I not fax them MY stuff, as I don't live in his district.

but... Ron Paul is on the House Financial Services Committe. Surely he should accept communications if they speak to that role?


These entire states do not have representatives on the House Financial Services Committe:

Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, Wyoming

(and of course there are only select Congressional Districts represented in the committee... most of each state's citizens are not constituents to the representatives on the committee)

list of committee members: http://financialservices.house.gov/membe.... ...there's a wonderful link at the bottom of the screen that allows you to petition your representative to petition the Financial Services Committee on your behalf. oh great. kind of like praying to a saint asking him to pray to god for you.

I forwarded the entire transcript from Gen to all of my friends who "were" supporters of RP....they are as*****ed as everyone else is right now....Those emails are making their rounds thru cyberspace.....RP is going to wish his "staffer" never said that ****.....if he will ever even know, which I doubt, he's as out of touch as the rest of the idiots on the hill now....he's proven that

What is too stop the TF consituants from faxing the petition in themsleves with their own cover letter?

I might suggest you put his fax number in the ticker tomorrow and a link where TF members in his district can easily print it out, sign it, and fax it in!

For sure they would recieve at least one of them along with the white paper on page 3 of X.

Fidgit

Thats pretty sad that you would base ANYTHING off of an internet forum without doing YOUR OWN homework.


I really dont give a freak about people that " never really tried to look into things" at all.


Most people here DO LOOK INTO ****ING **** and thats why we are here.

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Ron Paul - 14th Congressional District of Texas

[Hey Beer, I changed my post before I read yours...]

My homework was watching formerly-civil threads - in MANY forums, I've only been visiting TF for a few months - being taken over by those who were trying to intellectually beat the rest of us into submission. If you don't have the ideas to transmit, the strident emotion's not gonna cut it for me, in fact it turns me way WAY off. As obviously it did many others.

Fidgit

Yes... Paul supporters are nazis. This from someone who undoubtedly supports actual fascists.... Very brilliant of you to decide a person not worth listening to because someone you don't like support him. If I remember from my philosophy classes, you've put the logical nail in the coffin (that's tongue in cheek for those not familiar with the logical fallacy of guilt by association).

I'll cede that there are some people with less than mainstream ideas who piled on to the Paul bandwagon. There's something about freedom that can even bring out those far from the mainstream..... I'm wondering when it was that conformity of opinion on peripheral issues was required to band together in supporting the concept of individual liberty and a government of enumerated powers.

It seems that most of you would rather descend (further) into fascism and tyranny with a cadre of like-minded conformists who are unwilling to question the status quo than consider that freedom means for the moonbats too, and that at some point a man you agree with on nothing else can be an ally in securing universality of liberty. I'm not a fan of male on male sex, but I understand that supporting the government regulating his consensual behavior tacitly endorses the government regulating my own victimless choices.