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Beerisgoodfood
Posts: 429
Incept: 2007-10-26
CO
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Fidgit..
You do your homework by monitoring internet threads?
My god.
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Fidgit
Posts: 17784
Incept: 2008-02-18
Tax Unit #1,384,923,781
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Murf
Posts: 4486
Incept: 2007-08-28
MurfCon Warning Level: Arrogance II
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A fine whine, Karl.
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The money has already been lost. Someone has to book it.
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Beerisgoodfood
Posts: 429
Incept: 2007-10-26
CO
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Oh sorry.
Its really a shame you might have to quit making smilies and admit your a completely uninformed waste of text.
Look up your facts before you start rolling your own empty head around.
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Supercleanfund
Posts: 1469
Incept: 2007-11-12
The Island City, CA
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Circ, did you see the bear stearns hearings?
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Never underestimate the power of wishful thinking.
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Ponzi_unit
Posts: 8123
Incept: 2007-09-05
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Ron Paul seems penny wise and dollar foolish.
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Taxpayers witnessed a crime and stayed around long enough to get charged with it.
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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Super -
No, but I will look for them on youtube. Unless he praised the Fed BOG for using money stolen from me to underwrite a bailout for speculators, it's unlikely to change my perspective.
I am not a supporter of Paul for pragmatic reasons. He is a solitary voice for the idea that there are fundamental constraints on government power. Every congressman believes that there are (or should be) restraints, but restraints on their opponents. The left sees running roughshod over individual rights in the name of protecting 'the environment' or 'the children' as a virtue in the same way that the GOP (I will not call that farce 'the right') sees the abolishing of every inconvenient right in the name of 'keeping us safe' as a patriotic act. Everything they might wish to do is not permissible because the tyrant holding the reigns of power claims exigency. We have a long history of tyrants subverting individual liberty - from Lincoln to GWB - for the sake of expediency. I say no more, and Ron Paul is the only national candidate in my lifetime to echo those sentiments.
A bad day at the podium is unlikely to supersede a lifetime of fighting for freedom in my eyes, but I do intend to have a look at the video.
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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Quote:Ron Paul seems penny wise and dollar foolish. How clever..... Okay.... not really. On what basis do you deem him a fool?
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
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Bubblesee
Posts: 4120
Incept: 2007-06-27
nyc
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Gen,
Excellant ticker.
While i'm still undecided on Ron Paul, i HOPE he is a part of the "voice of reason" contingency.
That is a group that is way too small and needs all the help it can get!
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Ticker Forum Special:
"Bennie and the Feds" Melody:Elton John Lyrics:Bubblesee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etfVMtCq9Oc
(Larry Kudblow eat your heart out)
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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After searching C-span, that clip came from the April 2 hearings, and I can't find anything that would turn a Paul supporter into a detractor in the slightest. To those who claim to have been supporters who changed their mind after this performance - I challenge you to tell me what could possibly elicit such a reaction!
This was a fine performance, and was particularly salient in light of recent events. What would you have him do - take hostages and demand a reversal of the BSC bailout before he'd let them go? Does he have to swing from the rafters and spew saliva 10-rows deep? That is not his style, and would have no effect beyond giving the fasco-apologists ammunition to divert attention from the clearly destructive course they've brought our once-great nation to.
I love that he's trying to make the chairman take a position on fascism (though I don't think he actually utters the word). The issue against which he rails is the systemic employment of fascist policy - not a particular manifestation. In light of the state of our system, going after such a narrow instance would be akin to fighting a forest fire one tree at a time.
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
Reason: readability
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Genesis
Posts: 130804
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Stalemate - its not speculation, its oil turned into currency. That's what happens when you debase formerly-safe Treasuries. Since oil is in EVERYTHING in one form or another...
DKane, Ms. Bailey specifically threatened to change the fax number if I did not immediately comply with her demand to stop sending messages from Mr. Paul's constituents. If I publish the number, it will simply stop working a few minutes later - the House and Senate are on an internal phone switch and one call to the telecomm department and they'll assign a different DID number to that trunk. That serves no purpose.
Don't 'yall worry, Mr. Paul will get roasted against tomorrow in The Ticker.
Absent Jennifer Bailey calling me with a change of heart, after tomorrow its over. Ron Paul doesn't want faxes from constituents if anyone other than the actual constituent owns a fax machine and spends the money to send them, and it appears that they've ****canned the petitions they have received in the past.
He is also explicitly refusing anything from anyone not in his district that bears on his official work on the House Financial Services Committee or the Joint Economic Committee.
He's within his rights to do that, and I'm within my rights to blast him in public for it.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Rad
Posts: 377
Incept: 2007-08-27
The Yoga Mecca
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Quote:The "Ron Paul Love Club." Sit down and shut up - the lot of you. His office called me yesterday and explicitly asked that I stop faxing in constituent petition signatures, along with my market commentary that bears on the House Committees he sits upon. That's right, he doesn't want to hear from you if you're his constituent and he doesn't want commentary that bears on his decisions in Congress. I of course complied with his request, but I won't shut up about the fact that he made it. Those of you who supported this buffoon for President are fools; Obama, Clinton and McCain all gleefully accept my - and your - faxes. His assistant told me that they had intentionally changed their fax number to avoid public comment - including from his constituents - the call began with her demanding to know how I got the number (I called and asked for it a few months ago, you idiot, when I discovered it had been changed, and the person who answered the phone gave it to me!) Your correct course of action is to to vote that asshat out of office in November. I told you months ago that you were following a false God and that he had been conning you just like Satan does - with forked tongue. Now you have proof.
Finally, The American People.
WILL YOU WAKE THE HELL UP? 
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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I had the same reaction, Rad.
I'm wondering..... If I get Karl's fax number and send him my random thoughts on the subject of running a blog and forum - get thousands of friends to do the same (or send them to me so I can bulk-fax them) - and he doesn't have the time or will to hang on my every word..... does that make him a poor site administrator for not heeding my priceless (in my opinion) advice? Does it make me a self-important ass for assuming that he can't possibly know how to do it without my own special brand of input?
I'm just asking....
I suppose it's beyond the pale to suggest that congressmen don't sit by a fax, and probably have no idea what comes to his office - unless it is passed on by a staffer after being pre-screened. I bet most lawmakers read every piece of drivel that can be loaded onto a piece of 8.5x11 and crammed in a fax machine..... hilarious!!!!
I say blast away.... and please don't ban me first. This should be entertaining!
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
Reason: for giggles
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Joe-bob
Posts: 2619
Incept: 2007-09-18
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Circpros wrote.. It seems that most of you would rather descend (further) into fascism and tyranny with a cadre of like-minded conformists who are unwilling to question the status quo So... despite the materials in Karl's petitions and tickers which challenge the status quo, his following is composted mostly of conformists who are unwilling to question the status quo. Well, that makes sense. That's the most likely group a non-conformist challenging the status quo would attract, isn't it?
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Genesis
Posts: 130804
Incept: 2007-06-26
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Circ, if I'm a Congressman you betcha that my fax machine is open to the public, especially if what is coming in is related to my committee work.
You sent me there to do the public's business. I lost my right to play "insular *******" when I ran for public office.
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I don't care if it makes sense -- only if it makes money. -- Me
Bank (n): See scam, fraud and theft. Eat a bankster -- they're low-carb.
What part of "shall not be infringed" was unclear?
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Videopro
Posts: 1898
Incept: 2007-08-03
L.A. Area
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I've been around political activism a very long time. It always comes down to a lot of ranting and raving, yet from my perspective, protest actions and demands for redress end up with no real DAMAGE extracted from where it needs to come from.
The wrong doers RIGHTFULLY know their misdeeds are like an amorphous gooey blob lost among the blare and noise of so many just like themselves. Within that dark swirling cloud of mass thievery they find their security, because for the masses of disaffected it's all very confusing and holds no real accessible target to actually grab onto and extract the right from the wrong.
I strongly believe, that for any real results to start producing, there must be something of a common man's RAND Corporation formed. The mission would be to engineer political revenge that gets SOLID LONG LASTING RESULTS.
You start with just one very high profile deserving case and make it the sole cause of the new RAND2 Project. The person will be made to fall and it a very complete and unredeemable way.
You see, it's a lot like how an individual person under attack by a gang of thugs bests his chances of success against nearly impossible odds. He picks the apparent STRONGEST of the pack and focuses his assault there. He takes on just one, making the very best use of his limited capabilities but by EXAMPLE takes them all on with one determined 1:1 action.
You start off popping these corporate zits just one puss filled freak at a time, very publicly, with completely overwhelming resources dedicated to the job according to the plan that 'RAND2' has sets forth as the best researched, targeted, legally critiqued and engineered for success possible.
Call it 'Mad Max Damage Under The Thunderdome' if you like for plausible effect and maybe a good 'hook' for media purposes. It wouldn't take but a very few real splendid examples of politically, financially , emotionally and spirtually broken formally oh-so confident and arrogant characters to have all the rest creating skid marked underwear for days and days.
Then, just maybe we have a good start.
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"The Spinning Cyclone Of Deflation Is Fueled By Deficit Spending. An efficient asset destroying storm powered by the printing press". - Me
When the Nazi's broke every law when coming to power, people in later years were asked, how were they allowed to do it? The answer was easy: They Simply Did It.
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Joe-bob
Posts: 2619
Incept: 2007-09-18
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Circpros wrote..I suppose it's beyond the pale to suggest that congressmen don't sit by a fax, and probably have no idea what comes to his office - unless it is passed on by a staffer after being pre-screened. I bet most lawmakers read every piece of drivel that can be loaded onto a piece of 8.5x11 and crammed in a fax machine..... hilarious!!!! ...and ALSO when they know in advance EXACTLY what would be coming over the fax machine, a petition signed by their constituents? Oh yes, giggles galore. We can't expect congressmen to knowingly accept petitions through their fax. Circpros wrote.. I'm wondering..... If I get Karl's fax number and send him my random thoughts on the subject of running a blog and forum.... ah, so you think a congressman has no more obligation to his constituents than the person running their privately owned forum? Wow talk about fascism.
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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Quote:So... despite the materials in Karl's petitions and tickers which challenge the status quo, his following is composted mostly of conformists who are unwilling to question the status quo.
Well, that makes sense. That's the most likely group a non-conformist challenging the status quo would attract, isn't it? My post wasn't directed at Karl in particular, but I would argue that he is only willing to argue for minor tweaks to the system of coercion and theft endemic to any fiat fractional reserve system, and certainly illustrated in our financial system - since you asked. I give him credit for identifying particular problems - it is the solutions I take exception to. As for the cacophony of the 'attaboy' crowd - it's a mixed bag. Most seem to think that some of the defining purposes of our revolution was so that the government might regulate everything under the sun - up to and including what I choose to do in my home - and collect money at the end of a bayonet so that they might go about doing good works (as they define them). The Hamiltonian vision has won the day, and any lay-student of history knows that the Hamiltonian vision was not what won the day in the revolution or the constitutional convention. It is only through surreption and subversion that the hamiltonian vision has carried the day - and as forecast by it's revolutionary opponents, at great cost to the liberty of the people. Quote:ah, so you think a congressman has no more obligation to his constituents than the person running their privately owned forum? Wow talk about fascism. Oh Jesus. Go to dictionary.com and see the definition of fascism. Then come back and explain what the hell you are talking about in light of that definition. Fascism isn't a general term of derision - it has a real meaning. It's not like calling someone an '*******', while not actually meaning they are a sphincter - literally. Fascism is a form of government - a particularly odious one at that - and one that we the people have allowed our republic to become submerged in.
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
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Rad
Posts: 377
Incept: 2007-08-27
The Yoga Mecca
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
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genesis wrote..Circ, if I'm a Congressman you betcha that my fax machine is open to the public, especially if what is coming in is related to my committee work.
You sent me there to do the public's business. I lost my right to play "insular *******" when I ran for public office. You can certainly send them, in spite of what a staffer says. The fact is, there are tens of thousands of groups that solicit casual visitors to their website to add their name to the rolls so they can bury congress-people in an avalanche of paper to make it appear that there are more hard-boiled partisans among them than what there really are. I am not arguing what you are doing is that - hell, I admire that you're mad enough to want to do something, because that is where change starts - being mad enough that you want to do something. To the staffer who answers the phone, you're just another interest group wanting to send over 10,000 identical pages with another name gleaned from the internet - not the stuff that any of the congresspersons spend their time on. The staffer might have been ham-fisted in handling this, but to infer a lack of interest in his constituents is either extremely naive or at least slightly disingenuous. You've had a chip on your shoulder toward Paul since the first time I saw you utter the name, and to act as if this is the straw that broke the camel's back is only credible to the newbies or the mentally challenged.
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
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Circpros
Posts: 65
Incept: 2007-09-15
Ohio
Banned
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Quote:The folks who rallied around RP were hopeful of that same quality only to be disappointed when it became apparent that he doesn't walk the talk. In illustration of the 'attaboy' mentality among the weaker assembled intellects.... More 'amens' from the choir, but nothing but unfounded assertions. Tell me how he fails to 'walk the talk'. I want to see an example of him bowing to authority - just one is sufficient.
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"I'm not in the mood for the Ron Paul idiot invasion.Perhaps I should just ban anyone who supports him. After all, that's my right just like its his, right?"
- Karl Denninger, the Chairman Mao of internet fora
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Rad
Posts: 377
Incept: 2007-08-27
The Yoga Mecca
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BSC - it was throwing good money after bad and he had a prime opportunity to tell .gov to stay the f$%^ out of it!
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Joe-bob
Posts: 2619
Incept: 2007-09-18
Banned
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Circpros wrote..I would argue that he is only willing to argue for minor tweaks to the system of coercion and theft endemic to any fiat fractional reserve system what system do you envision? most importantly, in this system, how would lending work?
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Joe-bob
Posts: 2619
Incept: 2007-09-18
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Circpros wrote..
Joe-Bob wrote..
ah, so you think a congressman has no more obligation to his constituents than the person running their privately owned forum? Wow talk about fascism.
Oh Jesus. Go to dictionary.com and see the definition of fascism. Then come back and explain what the hell you are talking about in light of that definition. Fascism isn't a general term of derision - it has a real meaning. It's not like calling someone an '*******', while not actually meaning they are a sphincter - literally. Fascism is a form of government - a particularly odious one at that - and one that we the people have allowed our republic to become submerged in.
right. my mistake. Hitler's gauletiers had a HUGE sense of obligation towards the population, who they saw as their constituents. Oh yeah, that's right, fascists weren't really concerned with listening to the general population, nor did they feel any obligation to do their will as public servants. Quite the opposite. So yes, you're one to talk of fascism, equating the obligations of an elected representative to those of a private citizen running a privately owned forum. Especially when giggling at the thought that he should knowingly accept a petition from his constituents via fax.
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