Yes ?

Your contention is that the world's population is NOT eating ?!?

Are you starving ?

But of course, I'm merely amusing myself, since you're past the point of self-parody.

The Mayflower arrived in Nov/Dec.

Mostly, they spent the first winter living on the ship.

More than half died that winter.

The survivors stole stored Indian corn to live.

I don't think the Compact was altered for 5 years or so.

Bradford was not originally in charge.

Space aliens wrote Bradford's diary....

(That'll be next)

Alien version?

http://www.pilgrimhall.org/bradfordjourn....

A description of the hard circumstances of the winter of 1621 :
"In these hard & difficulte beginings they found some discontents & murmurings arise amongst some, and mutinous speeches & carriags in other; but they were soone quelled & overcome by ye wisdome, patience, and just & equall carrage of things by ye Govr and better part, wch clave faithfully togeather in ye maine. But that which was most sadd & lamentable was, that in 2. or 3. moneths time halfe of their company dyed, espetialy in Jan: & February, being ye depth of winter, and wanting houses & other comforts; being infected with ye scurvie & other diseases, which this long vioage & their inacomodate condition had brought upon them; so as ther dyed some times 2. or 3. of a day, in ye foresaid time; that of 100. & odd persons, scarce 50. remained. And of these in ye time of most distres, ther was but 6. or 7. sound persons, who, to their great comendations be it spoken, spared no pains, night nor day, but with abundance of toyle and hazard of their owne health, fetched them woode, made them fires, drest them meat, made their beads, washed their lothsome cloaths, cloathed & uncloathed them; in a word, did all ye homly & necessarie offices for them wch dainty & quesie stomacks cannot endure to hear named; and all this willingly & cherfully, without any grudging in ye least, shewing herein their true love unto their friends & bretheren. A rare example & worthy to be remembred. Two of these 7. were Mr. William Brewster, ther reverend Elder, & Myles Standish, ther Captein & military comander, unto whom my selfe, & many others, were much beholden in our low & sicke condition."

From the journal of William Bradford...

In 1621, King James I authorized the Council for New England to plant and govern land in this area. This Council granted the Peirce Patent, confirming the Pilgrims’ settlement and governance of Plymouth. Peirce and his associates, the merchant adventurers, were allotted 100 acres for each settler the Company transported. The Pilgrims had a contract stating all land and profits would accrue to the Company for 7 years at which time the assets would be divided among the shareholders. Most of the Pilgrims held some stock. The Pilgrims negotiated a more favorable contract with the Company in 1626. In 1627, Plymouth colony determined upon a new economic arrangement with 53 Plymouth freemen (the "Purchasers") agreeing to buy out the Company over a period of years. In this passage Bradford describes how this new complex economic arrangement was formulated:

"Therefore they resolved, for sundrie reasons, to take in all amongst them, that were either heads of families, or single yonge men, that were of abillity, and free, (and able to governe them selvs with meete descretion, and their affairs, so as to be helpful in ye comone-welth,) into this partnership or purchass. First, yey considered that they had need of men & strength both for defence and carrying on of bussinesses. 2ly, most of them had borne ther parts in former miseries & wants with them, and therfore (in some sort) but equall to partake in a better condition, if ye Lord be pleased to give it. But cheefly they saw not how peace would be preserved without so doing, but danger & great disturbance might grow to their great hurte & prejudice other wise. Yet they resolved to keep such a mean in distribution of lands, and other courses, as should not hinder their growth in others coming to them.
"So they caled ye company togeather, and conferred with them, and came to this conclusion, that ye trade should be managed as before, to help to pay the debts; and all such persons as were above named should be reputed and inrouled for purchasers; single free men to have a single share, and every father of a familie to be alowed to purchass so many shares as he had persons in his family; that is to say, one for him selfe, and one for his wife, and for every child that he had living with him, one. As for servants, they had none, but what either their maisters should give them out of theirs, or their deservings should obtaine from ye company afterwards. Thus all were to be cast into single shares according to the order abovesaid; and so every one was to pay his part according to his proportion towards ye purchass, & all other debts, what ye profite of ye trade would not reach too; viz. a single man for a single share, a maister of a famalie for so many as he had. This gave all good contente."

More misdirection.

OK, those who wish to pollute the ticker threads will find themselves banned from this area. No warnings.

All the cites proferred so far point out what I said originally in the Treatise I cited - The Compact was institutionalized socialism, it was torn up, and subsequent to replacing it with Capitalism the Pilgrims experienced therebefore-unseen prosperity.

That we have socialists here is not surprising. That you seem to think you have the right to overrun someone else's private property without boundary is also unsurprising.

However, it ends here and now. No more chiding, no more warning, no more disruption.

Tiberius, the wannabe neo-con PR man writes:

"Your contention is that the world's population is NOT eating? Are you starving ? But of course, I'm merely amusing myself, since you're past the point of self-parody."

You'll likely never be amusing to anyone but yourself. No, I'm not starving you imbecile, but there are 854 million folks who are. And given the price of food and the state of food stocks globally, the data at the link below is certain to be revised upward to a substantial degree.


http://www.bread.org/learn/hunger-basics....

Warning: the following quote from the story at the link below is kind of unequivocal.

“The supply of food really isn’t keeping up.”

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/sto....


Mtmn- Good effort, but Karl, who apparently was programmed by Murray Rothbard or someone like him, will continue with his talking points until he turns purple. Saving that he will engage in (drum roll please) CENSORSHIP. Quel Surprise!

Now we're getting somewhere !!

Ewok admits that 5.1 billion people have no problems getting fed, although the Earth is supposedly "ravaged".

Q.E.D.

I see the minister of information has a very short memory.

Here's what Tiberius originally wrote:

"Right now, six billion people are eating..."

WRONG!!! So if anyone has any admitting to do, IT'S YOU. And clearly you have not considered the distinct possibility, let alone the probability, which one of my prior links spoke to, that there is a large fraction of the world's population who are in only marginally better condition than the over 850 million who are in immediate danger of starvation.

As for my use of the term "ravaged", it's meaning is absolutely consistent with my earlier statement.

The definition of ravaged is as follows, "devastating, destructive action". Or alternatively, "ruinous damage."

I defy you to prove there hasn't been ruinous irretrievable damage to countless species and habitat planet wide in the last generation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestati....

Ewok wrote..

The definition of ravaged is as follows, "devastating, destructive action". Or alternatively, "ruinous damage."

Exactly.

The fact that more than 5 billion people eat heartily, (and the fact that 2 billion people eat so well that they're obese), proves beyond any shadow of doubt that the Earth is NOT devastated, destroyed, or ruined. Otherwise, there'd be mass starvation.

You may wish to look up the condition of Europe after WW II, or the aftermath of the supervolcanic eruption 75,000 years ago, for examples of what devastated, destroyed, or ruined looks like - that is, if you'd like to be able to argue from a position of knowledge and wisdom.

Further, in America, there is less pollution and ecological damage NOW than there was forty years ago, and the continent is MORE forested than it was when the Europeans first arrived four hundred years ago. In Russia, they're emmitting less pollution than they used to twenty years ago.
So in reality, the Earth is actually REGENERATING, as compared to prior eras.

As it is, your assertion is remarkably similar to someone whose car has been keyed, gnashing their teeth and wailing "my car is TOTALLED !!!"

No, it's just scratched. Which is why I called the charge that the Earth has been ravaged "shallow and ignorant", because it doesn't acknowledge that while some problems are getting worse, others are IMPROVING.

P.S.: Comparing deforestation to the Holocaust, as you did on Wednesday, indicates either a juvenile mind, or derangement. You may wish to avoid that sort of comparison in the future, even if you are a juvenile. Or deranged.

5 billion people don't eat heartily you fool, though they undoubtedly eat. So far, you have either ignored or glossed over every piece of evidence:

Here just one more bit of evidence of irretrievable destruction:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080607/ap_o....

In the meantime, you put forth putative conditions in Russia and the U.S. as proxy's for the entire planet which is idiot. You've casually overstated the condition of 1 out 7 people walking the planet, and seem to have an asinine view such that because we aren't all extinct or in the condition of Dresden
circa 1944 that no ruinous damage has occurred.

And clearly you can't prove the question below so this conversation is over!

I defy you to prove there hasn't been ruinous irretrievable damage to countless species and habitat planet wide in the last generation.

Goodbye Ross. This sort of intentional disruption is no longer tolerated on Tickerforum.