The cost of defense pails compared to the cost of our entitlements. Whether war is*****ing money down a rat hole hardly is a blip on the map compared to our debt through entitlements.

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RP wants fundamental change. That's why you periodically spend your time on these ridiculous hatchet-jobs. He (and the MILLION+ people who have voted for him in the Republican Primary) threaten your beloved system. None of your ctiticisms of RP hold any water. They are either filmsy opinions blown out of porportion, or outright distortions.

Ron Paul has put forward exactly nothing in terms of a path towards his mythical "real change."

I have pointed out why his demand for a "return to a gold standard" is a non-starter. Gee, I guess the near-destruction of both the US banking system and the British system, both of which were based on gold and both of which were forced off, doesn't count as evidence that he's full of ****?

My "beloved" system? Ha! I demand that someone who is going to take a cheap shot and demand change actually come up with something that can be done and will work, and insist that they are the one who proves it.

I'm out of patience with the moonbat horse****. The Ron Paul blowjob of the week club has come in here repeatedly and claimed that Ron Paul is the ****ing messiah, but when pushed for some sort of explanation as to WHAT he would actually do, they have no answers and neither does Ron Paul.

"Ditch The Fed". Ok, now what? What replaces The Fed? Oh, there's no proposal for that! Turn over the printing press to Congress as a fiat money supply? Welcome to Weimar the day it happens.

"Sound money" sounds great, now tell me what he has actually proposed.

Answer: NOTHING.

This horse**** will not stand here. I am not going to spend time going over again and again and again the same thing that has been rehashed to DEATH. You ****wits who support this crap got the chance to lay on the table actual proposals when this Nutball-in-chief was running for the Republican Nomination and yet despite REPEATED requests for ACUTAL proposal I NEVER SAW ONE ****ING CONCRETE ANYTHING other than "Get out of Iraq".

Well guess what - that's not a solution, and you don't get to bitch about something unless you are prepared to offer up an actual alternative.

This is not Yahoo and I'm not spending ANY more time on this.

Ron Paul got essentially ZERO support in the primary and he EMBARASSED HIMSELF in the hearings on Bear Stearns.

I caught that ********** with his pants around his ankles. He doesn't give a flying **** about his constituents and their ability to communicate with him.

THAT is reality and it embarasses you that he has been CAUGHT.
You bitch about the war but ENTITLEMENTS is a ONE HUNDRED ****ING TRILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM. Ron Paul has done exactly ZERO to raise hell about that, but boy, he can be*****ed about "IIIIRRRRAAAAQQQQQQQ!"

My daughter won't be impoverished by Iraq. Medicare and Social Security, on the other hand, will **** her future repeatedly.

Now get back on your knees and give him another Lewinski - he's an old man and needs it.

KD,

It's obvious from your rabid tirade that you have failed to do what you expect of others. Do your own research.

Your complaints about the Ron Paul postings indicate that you haven't read the necessary materials to understand what he's proposing. You want it spoon fed to you by his supporters (who at best would be imperfect messengers). And, best of all, you want them to do it while you take cheap shots and make rude comments (no unrealistic expectations THERE).

And to complain that he doesn't fully explain every detail of (what you even admit is a) very complex subject in his "stump speeches" is asinine whining that reveals you can't take the time to read a few books (The Revolution: A Manifesto would be a good place to start).

One doesn't have to be in the bag for RP to defend him from your ignorant (of his proposals) criticism and nitpicky bull**** fax complaints. There's a lot of distance between messiah and moonbat crank, but with you its one or the other. I guess in your narrow world there's no middle ground.

For the record:

RP has NOT recommended immediately abolishing the Fed
Does NOT want Congress to be able to determine the country's money supply
DOES want to end inflationary policies (both monetary and fiscal)

He also has articlulated a reasonalbe approach to begining to dig our way out of 70+ years of entitlement buildup.

US foriegn policy is indivisible from our domestic policy issues. Iraq was a mistake, still is a mistake, and our country will come to regret it for a long time. However, you trying to characterize it as playing a more dominant role in his campaign than the other issues is just silly.

I'm sorry that your jealousy of his support base leads you to such emotional outbursts. As not to upset you further, I'll just find something else to do.

You can go back to playing "gotcha" with your fax machine.

Joker:

"One doesn't have to be in the bag for RP to defend him from your ignorant (of his proposals) criticism and nitpicky bull**** fax complaints."

How dense are you? Read the timeline of events leading up to the complaints. What preceded the complaint was R.P.'s office's explicit demand not to receive certified (by electronic signature) communication from his constituents via fax.

The reasons explaining the benefits of fax over other delivery methods are valid. You'll find clear explanation in the right Ticker. You can go find it if you really want to.

You know, I've read this thread and the Wednesday ticker thread, and I have to say that I'm disappointed.
Karl, you need to actually read Ron Paul's positions in some of his literature. He has specifically said that he will phase out Medicare and Social Security over time and he will pay for those remaining on it today by means of cutting the one trillion + we spend every year on foreign interventionism. Even if you disagree on cutting out lots of our foreign interventionism spending, there are still hundreds of billions that we can all agree on that go to waste. That's just one little part of his solution to deal with Medicare and Social Security.
But you should know that, since you claim to know all of his positions.
As for him wanting to bring back gold as a currency, that is completely false. He wants to create an alternative currency to the Federal Reserve Note dollar that is based on the value of gold. Therefore, the value of this alternative currency would fluctuate based on the fluctuating value of gold.

By the way, since you rant and rave all day about our pathetic Congress, why don't you actually run for Congress? I'm being serious here. Then you wouldn't have to complain about Congress; you could attempt to change things there yourself. I mean isn't it just a little hypocritical to complain all the time about our members of Congress when you are not actively engaged in trying to become a member of Congress yourself? Better to take direct action than to complain about it.

Finally, I don't think the ticker really is making as much of an impact as you believe. Sure, people like me have found the information contained within quite valuable. But I do not believe that the message is coming across to Congress, the Fed, and the like. I think that you and the forum should think about new ways to get the message out. Sure, the Fed members, members of Congress, and the like should already know about the things that you express in the ticker, but I'm afraid you overestimate their intelligence and knowledge. So I say you and the forum should take further direct action and really try to spread the message and educate the public. They really are ignorant. For that reason, it is useless to complain about their inaction on a daily basis. They just don't know. I think the protest at Wall Street was a good start. I think more events like that will go much further than calling out people in the ticker.

Bye Rocket. That's a duplicate post and you're done.

If he's banned, how did he post?

I don't get it.

I just suspended his account. He can no longer post.

He posted the same thing in both threads.

Did you not say that a new member needs a month before being able to post? This guy is very new yet he can immediately post. Has RP planted so many accounts around here just to "possibly" retort remarks that may be critical of him?

Mtg, 4/1 is the incept. He's been here a while.

Believe me, I can ban faster than they can clear accounts, and if the moonbat **** really gets going I will file federal computer fraud and abuse complaints (as was done in the case of the Myspace harassment) which can lead to "pound you in the ass" federal prison.

Thanks Karl:

**** R.P.'s "Pillow Biting Poodle Posse". Ban 'em all.

Especially after the douche bags get me banned tomorrow.... I'll donate as soon as my new website launch get off the ground next month.

Oh well, maybe I'll get more work done tomorrow.

"Pillow biting" ??

Its not a perfect world and the reason people support RP for the most part is his belief in the constitution.

People died for that right.

You can take your poodle **** and shove it straight up your ass since your obviously uninformed.

Im sorry but all current candidates are unacceptable. McBain especially is a sell out piece of corporate molded BS that seriously endangers this country because hes a lucid, lying /false smile scum**** sell out wanna-be **** hole.

If your a true conservative you also realize this.

Why the damnation of Ron Paul at the little hope versus no hope of responsibility?

I dont here anybody bodyslamming anyone else on hard issues regarding the economy?

Where are all those faxes etc and why havent they been addressed?


Its a slow process and the one person that cares about this **** is getting ripped by the other person that cares about this **** and once again we go nowhere.

Instead of ripping RP , Maybe the **** could have been sent months ago and arranged someone to testify at the BS fed meeting.

I dont want to get banned because RP was a great shift in people looking at the real problems.

Im really curious how anyone would have the stomach to vote for any current controlled ***** at this point. Especially the chipmunk head mega ***** amnesty prick.

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Im really curious how anyone would have the stomach to vote for any current controlled ***** at this point.

Because perfect people, (assuming that there are any), don't run for office. We ALWAYS have flawed choices.

Refusing to choose among them simply grants more power to those who are willing to choose.

For those who claim that "they're all the same", or that "it doesn't make any difference", I respond thusly: Reagan/Carter.

One of the biggest problems with Ron Paul is that he waffles. He uses terms and language that the average person might have difficulty understanding.

We live in a world of sound bytes. if his message had been short and succinct I think more people would have listened to him. The Youtube videos of his questioning of BeardyWeardy were a mumbling mass of terms and phrases that had little in the way of meaning to someone that doesn't know what a FIAT currency is or what the phrase "Gold standard" refers to........ which with present US (and UK) educational standards is virtually everyone. There's no point having a message of truth if those who make up the popular vote don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I also think he harmed his cause by having such a close association with Alex Jones, the internationally renowned conspiracy theorist.

Genesis wrote..

I have pointed out why his demand for a "return to a gold standard" is a non-starter. Gee, I guess the near-destruction of both the US banking system and the British system, both of which were based on gold and both of which were forced off, doesn't count as evidence that he's full of ****?

He does not advocate a return to the gold standard.

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Ron Paul has done exactly ZERO to raise hell about that, but boy, he can be*****ed about "IIIIRRRRAAAAQQQQQQQ!"

My daughter won't be impoverished by Iraq. Medicare and Social Security, on the other hand, will **** her future repeatedly.

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"Raising hell" is a function of political tenability. RP's position is that both Medicare and Social Security should be dismantled.

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Now get back on your knees and give him another Lewinski - he's an old man and needs it.

Quit your ridiculous hyperbole and become familiar with what you're criticizing.

I don't like Paul's positions on some things, but was willing to give him credit for being different than most Congressmen, and for seeming to deal with our messed up monetary system. I try to be intellectually honest. This ticker was amazing. I hope what he has done (refusing correspondence from his constituents) is known far and wide. He is a big phony. Good work Karl.