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Obseedian Posts: 8244 Incept: 2007-07-26
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Astounding discovery. Apparently, MS is caused by narrowed veins in the neck, and NOT an autoimmune disease. The doctor who discovered this has successfully treated MS patients through surgery to inflate the veins. The infuriating part of this is the American and Canadian MS Societies have issued statements urging sufferers to be "cautious" and NOT TO GET TESTED FOR NARROW VEINS . Guess which organization I WON'T be donating to.I'm sticking this in here to ensure it gets wide dissemination. Move if inappropriate. Edit: I suppose there is a market angle to this. Here is a nice list of drugs and drug companies that will lose big over this: http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/mstreatmen.... Video: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st.... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nati.... Quote:Researcher's labour of love leads to MS breakthrough ---------- Would you give your money to these banks? http://bankimplode.com/list/troubledbank.... Genitalia - Not just another Italian airline! Last modified:
2009-11-22 12:54:51 by obseedian
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Fidgit Posts: 14065 Incept: 2008-02-18
AllyBammy Online
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Whoa. It'll be interesting to see where this leads.
---------- I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it.
2009-11-22 12:52:15
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Clintb350 Posts: 237 Incept: 2008-01-19 Southern AZ
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The Zamboni Principle - smooth out to improve flow, also applied to ice skating rinks for many years. Wonder if they're related?
2009-11-22 13:03:04
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Ben Posts: 431 Incept: 2009-10-09 Asia
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Interesting. Like that quip from Rush last week (he still does indeed come through with great insight): "Normal people without an agenda would be relieved to discover this decline in temperatures." Normal people do NOT want the biosphere to collapse and would be HAPPY to find out that they were wrong. Normal people would be HAPPY to find a cure for MS and to have to shut down their 501(3)(c)'s. Last modified:
2009-11-22 13:12:10 by ben
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Obseedian Posts: 8244 Incept: 2007-07-26
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MS drugs are big business. I guess the drug companies won't be too thrilled by this news. http://ms.about.com/b/2009/07/21/multipl.... Quote:I have been a little lax in updating my articles about disease-modifying drugs for multiple sclerosis. Honestly, I attempted to find the pricing information a couple of times in the past, but this information was difficult to locate easily. I recently found a really cool site where all of this info is readily available – DestinationRx.com. You can go to this site and enter your drug name and information about the minimum and maximum monthly cost (although the site does not provide information about where to get drugs at these prices). ---------- Would you give your money to these banks? http://bankimplode.com/list/troubledbank.... Genitalia - Not just another Italian airline!
2009-11-22 13:11:33
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Clintb350 Posts: 237 Incept: 2008-01-19 Southern AZ
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Ben - Wrong thread?
2009-11-22 13:12:13
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Zenthunder Posts: 4684 Incept: 2007-10-11
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hey that explains the salt thingy too - spiking blood pressure must help. Hmm - how about red wine, no coffee or cigs and weightlifing?
2009-11-22 13:13:59
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Genesis Posts: 71346 Incept: 2007-06-26
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This is staying right here. If this proves up the "organizations" in the US related to the drug companies all need to be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-11-22 13:18:16
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Bergziege Posts: 1177 Incept: 2007-09-08
Central IL
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How come it took this long to find the real cause? Or is it because the medical system favors drugs over surgery?
---------- Luckily for me, a High Standard of Living is easy. All I require is Internet, a tv dinner and a blowjob and I'm the richest guy in the world. - Bozonian I've been chasing holes all my life and it doesn't always turn out bad. - Bozonian
2009-11-22 13:20:42
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Zenthunder Posts: 4684 Incept: 2007-10-11
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Hope it turns out - I know what its like to have an incurable nasty, and to find a cure for it outside of accepted medicine. Cool beans. Gotta be some progress sometimes or science is worthless right?
2009-11-22 13:23:36
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Nemesis Posts: 4502 Incept: 2008-01-03
Canada
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I can attest that these organizations like the MS society are parasitical in nature and feed off these diseases for profit and are among the least interested in promoting legitimate cures. I wouldn't donate to any of them. Friend of mine works for a company that has developed a compound to reverses Altzheimers disease. They approached the AZ society and had a similar experience. One of the members on the board of directors had early onset Altzheimers disease and decided to try the compound. When he experienced positive results it caused a huge rift between him and the other members, eventually leading to his resignation.
2009-11-22 13:24:53
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Psgirl Posts: 3654 Incept: 2009-02-18
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Interesting also about the Vitamin D deficiency.
2009-11-22 13:25:05
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Zenthunder Posts: 4684 Incept: 2007-10-11
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Also note its more likely for someone to find a fix for something that personally affects them. I think many cures would be found if they just made the people with the diseases into researchers. Help them go to college, etc and make them responsible for finding what works. Worked for me and I dont know very much about medicine.
2009-11-22 13:30:43
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Nitpicker Posts: 88 Incept: 2009-10-15
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Quote:Home come it took this long to find the real cause no conspiracy theory needed. I see this sort of thing all the time in large complex software systems -- many fixes that are obvious only in retrospect, after you spend months or years trying various things before you stumble on the right way to look at the problem. the human body is much more complex, much harder to instrument and observe, and for obvious reasons you don't get to tear them apart to look at them mid-disease. and they're still somewhat removed from the actual cause -- they're closer to the root of the fault tree, but (for instance) in the long run a drug which slows or reverses whatever process leads to blockages in the veins might well be lower cost and lower risk still than surgery on the jugular which might need to be repeated every few years.
2009-11-22 13:34:33
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Genesis Posts: 71346 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Quote:How come it took this long to find the real cause? Or is it because the medical system favors drugs over surgery? One-shot surgery that actually fixes something only makes you money once. A drug for a chronic condition makes you money until the person expires of other natural causes. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-11-22 13:38:41
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Otiswild Posts: 1341 Incept: 2009-03-09
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THIS is the black man that should be running the country... ---------- It appears that the yard wolves has grown up. Are we finally finished with the colds dead winters?
2009-11-22 13:49:38
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Karefree Posts: 1637 Incept: 2008-10-15
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Genesis wrote..One-shot surgery that actually fixes something only makes you money once. More simply stated, GREED!
2009-11-22 13:50:03
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Nitpicker Posts: 88 Incept: 2009-10-15
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Quote:One-shot surgery that actually fixes something only makes you money once. it's too soon to know if it's actually a one-shot fix or whether they'll have to go in and periodically re-roto-rooter your jugulars to keep the symptoms under control.
2009-11-22 13:50:05
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C4talyst Posts: 1407 Incept: 2007-08-28
Northern Virginia
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Thank you very, very much for the thread, Obseedian.
2009-11-22 13:55:38
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Genesis Posts: 71346 Incept: 2007-06-26
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Indeed Nit. But this much is certain - the $20-$50,000 annual drug regimes are under threat from a discovery such as this. ---------- "The monetary base in ALL modern monetary systems is the sum of unencumbered assets against which one is both WILLING AND ABLE to borrow." - Me
2009-11-22 13:56:10
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Obseedian Posts: 8244 Incept: 2007-07-26
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I like Nitpicker's analogy. The real crime is MS Society not coming out with a press release like "We're very excited about this discovery, have halted all funding to drug-based treatments and redirecting all funds to study CCSVI". But no, they want to sell you more drugs instead. Now the question becomes, what causes narrow veins? There was speculation MS was genetic, but in reality maybe it is narrow veins that are hereditary. It could be these people are more sensitive to certain diets as their narrow veins could clog up more easily. It could be a very complex chain of causation but doctors seem to focus on the most immediate cause and not look further up the chain. ---------- Would you give your money to these banks? http://bankimplode.com/list/troubledbank.... Genitalia - Not just another Italian airline!
2009-11-22 13:58:59
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Zenthunder Posts: 4684 Incept: 2007-10-11
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Yeah gen - I'm depriving some company of north of 20K per year in money by finding my own fix. So sad.
2009-11-22 14:02:20
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Gizmodo Posts: 1146 Incept: 2009-04-15
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Very interesting. I expect this guy to get attacked pretty hard. He'll be called irresponsible, premature in his judgments, etc. etc. Maybe they'll try to take away his license. There's a pretty legendary amount of corruption out there in the medical/drug field. For just one instance of many, candy companies are big sponsors to the American Diabetes Association. That couldn't be bad, right? ---------- "Hide the decline": the policy of climate fraudsters and government fraudsters alike. Can't you see? It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents...
2009-11-22 14:03:02
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Cheapbastud Posts: 659 Incept: 2007-10-09
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No worries. This surgery won't be covered under the new health care regime that gets passed.
2009-11-22 14:07:22
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Zenthunder Posts: 4684 Incept: 2007-10-11
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I'm not sure corruption is always the right word for it tho - I think some of it is corruption but some of it comes from simply being stuck in a certain way of thinking and refusing to change course due to science moving from 'impartial truth searching' to 'personal belief system'. At least as far as many researchers go anyway - although its fairly likely that business people high up in the food chain of certain companies *do* try to supress/attack things that might hurt their interests. Not sure I would expect them to do anything else.
2009-11-22 14:08:10
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