There aint no free lunch.

I smell an IPO coming - ahead of any (genuine) sales.

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If true wouldn't this pretty much be the biggest news...ever...in the history of news!? You pretty much have to be a skeptic.

Absolutely. For starters, all solar and wind-power stocks would lose 99% of their value overnight if this were true.

This is likely another bull**** fleece job shopping for investors suckers.

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You control it "just as you turn on and off your television set."

... The tac, tac, tac sound is made by the water pump, which is a precision dosator

hmmm... Looks like an old sound system covered with Blue gift wrapper on sale !

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenati....
And of course, hydrogenation is a form of fusion....

Combined with simultaneously providing a link which disproves the claim (the wiki entry doesn't even have "fusion" in it), this is an announcement of deep scientific ignorance, starting at the concept level of "what words mean".

"Combined with simultaneously providing a link which disproves the claim (the wiki entry doesn't even have "fusion" in it), this is an announcement of deep scientific ignorance, starting at the concept level of "what words mean"."

I plead encroaching senility, sleep deficit and distractions as I wind up a project with an off-shore team. I did my senior project on Tokamak-sheesh.

I'm skeptical, but if it's true, skittle-****ting unicorns would be superfluous.

-Uwe-

Even though this press release is likely just another instance of fraud or bad science, I still think that one day in the future (perhaps far future) one of these crackpot-ish schemes is going to turn out to be the real deal. Nuclear fusion research is still in it's infancy relatively speaking. There does exist a well-known and documented cold fusion catalysis mechanism using negatively charged muons - but the problem there is that the reaction isn't self-sustaining because muons don't stick around very long, and the energy in is greater than the energy out. It's certainly possible that one day we will find a way to optimize this idea and allow it to be efficient enough to be exothermic.

In my opinion, this is the ultimate "hopium" - as close to a rainbow-skittle-****ting unicorn as we'll ever get.

Weak burst of gamma radiation?


Cold Fusion From Italy Nearly Commercial Ready
Monday, January 17, 2011 2:12

Friday and Saturday, January 14th and 15th of 2011 seem to be a threshold for energy production. Sergio Focardi and Andrea Rossi at the University of Bologna demonstrated and conducted a news conference about their “cold fusion”, or Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) or as they suggest it be called, a “catalyst reaction” energy uprating device. Time will tell to whom goes the technology domain, be it physics or chemistry or even a new field drawing on both.

Perhaps the greatest significance is the team has started the patent process and have licensee agreements completed in both the EU and USA. This seems to be fully real. Moreover, the expectations of the team are to have commercial designs due out within a year with device production for sale or use in 2 to 3 years.

The device relies on the ability of nickel to absorb hydrogen that while doing so releases heat, significant amounts in fact, the power needed to run the device is rating at 400 watt hours per hour to produce 15,000 watt hours per hour – from a lab bench experimental device. In lay terms the drive is about 4 one hundred watt lamps for 150 one hundred watt lamps of production – a 37.5 fold gain – quite a fine rate of return.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/360/795/C....

When hydrogen is absorbed on a catalyst it is exothermic. Freeing the hydrogen from the catalyst is endothermic.

There is no free lunch.

patent ap is online.

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=I....

seems simple enough to build and test...

If this is true [it isn't...] this is the biggest discovery in the world's history.

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What do we get if we add a proton to nickle?
Hmm - Copper.

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Ok, so show me nickel going in and copper coming out

You may not get much copper, at least not for long.

68% of naturally occuring Nickel is 58Ni; add a proton, you get 59Cu which has a half life of 81.5 seconds, beta decay to 59Ni, which has a half-life of ~76k years.

26% of naturally occuring Nickel is 60Ni; add a proton, you get 61Cu which has a half life or 3.3 hours, beta decay to 61Ni which is stable.

3.6% of naturally occuring Nickel is 62Ni, add a proton, you get 63Cu which is stable.

1.1% of naturally occuring Nickel is 61Ni, add a proton, you get 62Cu, which has a half-life of 9.7 minutes, beta decay to 62Ni which is stable.

0.1% of naturally occuring Nickel is 64Ni, add a proton, you get 65Cu, which is stable.

So assuming that all the isotopes of nickel are equally reactive in this process a few hours after shutting down the reactor, 90+ % of the copper will have decayed to back to heavier isotopes of nickel than the ones you started with.

At this point, I'm still very skeptical. The demo ran for less than 1/2 hour, so it produced maybe 5 kWh of heat; that's too easy to fake with chemical reactions. Let's see it run longer; the longer you run it, the harder it is to fake it using some form of chemical energy stored inside the device.

-Uwe-

Cold is relative. The sun is not even blue its so cold.

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That's why virtually all of the Sun's fusion is Hydrogen -> Helium, and only when a star is in the process of dying do heavier atoms get involved. You can get a neutron to go in to a heavy nucleus

Well, almost Gen. H --> He simply defines a main sequence star. All stars become main sequence stars once they begin fusing hydrogen into helium. The mass of the star when it becomes main sequence is what determines whether or not they will continue to create heavier and heavier elements.

Our sun has enough mass to get up to carbon before shedding it's outer layers and becoming a white dwarf. By that time the surface of the sun will extend out to Jupiter.

On the other hand, stars like Sirius (visible this time of year in the southern sky from the northern hemisphere) will continue fusing atoms together right up to the point where they create iron before going supernova.

The point is it's a function of a stars mass that determines the evolution of the star.

Correct, but the point here is that someone claiming they've managed to fuse Nickel..... well, I demand strict proof.

Amd rightfully so! :)

"You don't believe in all this 'cold fusion' mumbo jumbo do you?"

I suspect this one is a chemical reaction.

On the other hand, no reason why mini-fusion reactors can't be implemented. http://www.physorg.com/news145561984.htm....

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A small percentage of the nickel is transmuted into copper. The amount of copper found in the cell is far greater than the impurities in the nickel powder. None of this copper is "unstable."

FWIW

Uh huh. We'll see....

When an informational article on a technological process uses the word "transmuted", I get skeptical.

The problem with using the word "Fused" is that those damn physicists immediately perk up and ask where the ****ing gamma rays are!

While I'd love to see it be true, it's going to take some damn serious proof to make me think it's anything but more bull****.

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The problem with using the word "Fused" is that those damn physicists immediately perk up and ask where the ****ing gamma rays are!

The article does mention radiation is being produced.

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Radiation is produced. However in the device demonstrated which is made for commercial use no radiation escapes due to lead shielding. The fact that radiation is produced is proof of a nuclear reaction.

I'm not too familiar with gamma ray radiation, but wouldn't that be attenuated by most lead shielding?