Mo...sometimes, it's good to let the arguing happen...they do quite often (not these two gentlemen in particular) come back around to the topic at hand, and offer up some very well-thought-out commentary and discussion.

I'm hoping that's the case here...because this thread is jacked up, and I don't want to clean it up at the moment.

Alex Jones has done incalculable multiples more than Bez to advance the cause of liberty. Jones gets off base occasionally, but sometimes he turns out to be closer to the truth than many expected, such as Fukushima. Litmus test character assassinations have no place here. If there is a TOPIC to be argued, it can be done so on it's own merits without Bez's HS debate team silliness.

BTW Bez, the Bilderberg meetings WERE secret until people like Alex Jones pushed them into the spotlight. I wouldn't be surprised if I searched the archives, that I'd find a thread from a few years ago with Bez poo-pooing the existence of Bilderberg as a bat **** conspiracy. Bez, you need to stop wasting everyone's time with your disingenuous blather.

The end of this month.

ENOUGH ARGUING! The purpose of this thread was merely to collect information about these people. If you are not interested, then don't read it. If you want to start arguing about people's beliefs or make personal attacks on each other TAKE IT TO THE BAR!

Napolitano covers Bilderberg on Fox.

McDonalds, Burger King, Dairy Queen, Jack in the Box, Hardees, White Castle, Wendy's, A&W, Sonic, Carls Jr, Whataburger.

The buildaburgers are slowly poisoning us.

How to avoid that sort of poisoning:

http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Grill-Guide-P....

Genesis wrote..

There are..... what - several billion people on the planet. Many of them are possessed of means to kill these individuals. If, in fact, such an evil is taking place, you wish me to believe that out of all these billions there is not one person willing to sacrifice themselves to kill one of these individuals?

The machine Bezzle speaks of goes on. In that sense, he is right that the names do not matter, Karl. Security is very lax for members of this Matrix of fools, including Rockefeller, who recently was ambushed in Chile. There is a part in this tape that was removed. I saw it happen the day it was posted and replaced. The man who met Rockefeller at this airport said, 'Let's kill him. Let's kill him now.' It's in the first part of the tape, where it blurs, but that version you won't find on YouTube anymore.'



Notice he has nothing but a few bag handlers around him.

Poid wrote..

More interesting than the bankers, i'd like to see how the European royal families fit into all of this. They are truly 'old money' in Europe; if anyone wields true power the royals must all be involved in it. Hell the British royal family still enjoy taxes being collected from other Commonwealth nations as far as i'm aware so they have the tax scam down pat...

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The Astor Bloodline
The Bundy Bloodline
The Collins Bloodline
The DuPont Bloodline
The Freeman Bloodline
The Kennedy Bloodline
The Li Bloodline
The Onassis Bloodline
The Reynolds Bloodline
The Rockefeller Bloodline
The Rothschild Bloodline
The Russell Bloodline
The Van Duyn Bloodline

Merovingian (European Royal Families)
The Top 13 Families & The Mormon Leadership (Moriah & The Mormon Leadership)
Interconnected families:
Disney - Uno de Los Mayores Engaños de Todos los Tiempos
The Disney Bloodline
The Krupp Bloodline
The McDonald Bloodline

Available at your fingertips in seconds these days.

And Jotapay, the issue I have with Jones is that he peddles to the highest level of fear-mongering. It is not necessary - at all - to use any of his information, as it is available through sources (credible one's) much sooner than is released on the blaring bullhorn bull**** media that Jones peddles as journalism.

**** him and the horse he rode in on.

Here's a group the elite won't like. Has anyone heard of them?

Group says they can Save America
Reporter: Matt Vanderveer

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"If we continue to spend money that we don't have then we ultimately file bankruptcy and sadly I think that's where the U.S. Federal Government is going unless they get it under control and say no more,” explains Elliot.

He says both republicans and democrats have to make cuts.

"Republicans have to be able to say we will cut defense spending and the democrats say we have to cut social spending,” he says.

http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headl....

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Bold statement. No, there aren't that many, to answers your question.

We have been emasculated.

I'm trying to figure out what I meant here after a whole bottle of rum last night. It was obviously very poorly worded as far as the intent goes.

All of my nonsense notwithstanding, there are zero people to have cause or balls to take up action against these folks. And there are too many of them now. They are legion in our universities, federal government, even most times into our local county governments.

I think education and knowledge is the appropriate weapon for combating them. Simply because that is what they try and deny us regarding their planning for our lives. They hold secret meetings and try to discredit anyone through the media who question their closed door discussions and agenda that they decide for us with no representation. Exposing them and their agenda, bringing it into the light and sunshine, out from behind closed doors will involve everyone in the process then, which is how it should be.

Cramer just lays it out on CNBC.

"Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play." - Joseph Goebbels.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." -David Rockefeller.

"Governments need armies to protect them from their enslaved and oppressed subjects." - Tolstoy.

'In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

Pretty much everybody, to some degree, fear mongers to get a point across. I don't know Jones personally, but he does come across as someone who cares about the country and is passionate about what he does. It's not like he's a politician of some sort, constantly lying only to change his opinion and lie again to get elected. Personally, I don't agree with him on a lot of topics, but if he wants to believe all vaccines are filled with "cancer viruses", that's his opinion. But we aren't going to get anywhere if we can't settle our petty differences and focus our effort against the global banking occupation and its hijacking of government.

China's super rich: Via BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13346....

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Who are the leaders of China's economic miracle? Where do they come from, and what are their wildest ambitions?

A hundred years ago it was the likes of Rockefeller, Ford, Carnegie who were building the future.

With China closing in on America to become the world's biggest economy, the next century belongs to names like... Zong... Dai... Liu.

We had better get used to it.

As I read ever-more hyperbolic accounts of the Chinese economy, its impact on global trade, and the spending spree of its newly rich middle classes, I wanted to find out about the men and women who are leading this transformation.

Continue reading the main story

Over the next weeks we will profile six of China's richest entrepreneurs, and report how they fit into the country's society.

Special Report: One in a Billion
Chinese multi-billionaire Zong Qinghou
China's drive for wealth
I was not after the bosses in government and the Communist Party, although they are pulling the levers in their state-controlled society.

I was seeking the people behind the country's explosive economic growth - the top entrepreneurs.

They are the ones building world-beating companies, leading China's export success and creating new jobs by the million.

Thirty years ago the Party denounced entrepreneurs as: "self-employed traders and peddlars who cheat, embezzle, bribe and evade taxation."

Then the line changed. Deng Xiaoping, the driving force behind the move to capitalism after Mao's death, famously declared ''to get rich is glorious''.

Benign Capitalism?

One of China's richest men, Zong Qinghou says he lives on $20 a day
Karl Marx himself had a soft spot for entrepreneurs. In Das Kapital he asserted that workers were exploited by capitalists who profited from the added value of their labour.

But he argued entrepreneurs, although still capitalists, added their own value - through their fresh ideas and ability to seize opportunities.

Entrepreneurs, at least the good ones, were benign capitalists, said Marx.

That explains their rehabilitation in post-Mao China. But they are still expected to play their part in a centralised system.

I wanted to get behind the corporate announcements and the carefully managed public appearances to see how China's super-rich actually live, to hear what they really think and to try to understand why they had risen to the top of society, rather than their 1.3 billion fellow-countrymen and women.

What do they feel about the vast mass of China's population? How are they coping with their wealth. What are their plans for the future?


Liu Yi Qian, born into a working class family in Shanghai, is now China’s biggest art collector
As they talked openly about their fortunes, their path to the top, their hopes for their own children, and the prospects for the world's fastest growing economy, I felt I had just begun to penetrate behind the mask of inscrutability which is the default mode for all Chinese dealings with foreigners.

The billionaires I spoke to had all risen from total poverty. Not relative poverty, compared, say, to a typical Western family.

They had known the sort of poverty where there was not enough to eat, and each day was filled with grinding labour.

Traditionalist or aristocrat
Now they have made their fortunes, they divide into two types, depending on their attitude towards money and luxury.

The first type, you might call the "Party Traditionalists". They are typified by Zong Qinghou, boss of drinks and clothing firm Wahaha, who when I met him was the reigning richest man in China.

As we sat facing each other across the desk in his modest office, he told me that the money he had made was for society, not for himself. And he emphasised that he eschewed luxuries.

The second group are exemplified by Dai Zhikang, a 40-something property developer. I call them China's "New Aristocracy".

They are more at ease with their new-found wealth.

Unlike the Russian oligarchs they tend to steer clear of vulgar displays of opulence, and in a sense they are making their new money into old money - buying art, travelling widely, buying property and sending their children to private schools and universities in Britain or America.

The next generation
Both types talked freely about the role their children might play in inheriting their fortunes.

Even the traditionalists reserved the right to entrust their wealth to the next generation, although only if the children could be relied upon to build on the fortune rather than fritter it away.


Dai Zhikang's spent his early years looking after pigs and cows in Jiangsu province
They were all aware that they had seized an opportunity that would never again be presented to the Chinese people - that it was easy to start a business during the transition from communism to capitalism - "the opening up" - much easier than now.

The other difference between the Party Traditionalists and the New Aristocracy was their attitude to luxury brands.

One of the younger generation proudly showed me his new $50,000 Patek Phillipe watch.

He had bought several he told me, because they keep their value. By contrast, a top Party man, an industrialist, wore his humble Citizen timepiece with equal pride.

The Traditionalists wore Chinese-made suits. The Aristocrats sported beautifully made casual wear.

Each of the entrepreneurs I met was near the top of the various rich lists that fascinate China's (and the world's) media.

In the near future it is quite possible that at least one of them will drop out through the ebb and flow of business success. But their eventual fate makes no difference to the insights I gleaned through meeting them.

As well as being fascinating characters in their own right, they allowed us to glimpse new China through their eyes, and understand the forces that will shape all our lives over the next decades.

Nick Rosen is head of Vivum Intelligent Media Ltd. He is making a documentary about the lives of China's top entrepreneurs.

Brushyourteeth wrote..

But we aren't going to get anywhere if we can't settle our petty differences and focus our effort against the global banking occupation and its hijacking of government.

This is interesting. It lists the declared associations of everyone in the EU Commission. I haven't had time to look through them yet, but Catherine Ashton is a 'life peer of the House of Lords' in the UK.

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014....

Here's the link for all the members:

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014....

Amschel Rothschild, the man who many people believed was in line to lead the Rothschild family's legendary banking dynasty, committed suicide this week, the company said today.

N. M. Rothschild & Sons, the privately held family bank, confirmed that the death was a suicide after two French newspapers reported that a chambermaid had found him hanged in his room at the Bristol Hotel in Paris on Monday. But relatives of the 41-year-old Mr. Rothschild refused to give any details of his death, which was originally reported as having resulted from a heart attack.

Bankers in the City of London, the financial center where the bank is based, speculated only that he might have been unhappy about losses suffered at Rothschild Asset Management Ltd., the division he headed.

Mr. Rothschild oversaw something of a financial recovery at Rothschild Asset Management, but the bank as a whole has had static profit, especially when compared with those of another big, independent British investment bank, Schroders.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/12/busine....

*Note date*

Suicide, riiiightttt

That's from 1996.

I know. That's why I said *Note date*

This explains everything. You can lock the thread after this as far as I'm concerned.