Tesla
Posts: 15541
Incept: 2008-04-03
State of Disbelief
Mikek31 delineates the only solution.
Withdraw consent - stop cooperating, to the extent that you feel comfortable.
Bank/Pay outside the banking system as much as possible - use cash. Sell anything with debt; stop paying the banksters. Stop playing on Wall Street and don't buy government debt; deny banksters and the only native criminal class your money. Taxes - minimize them by maximizing deductions, making less, or by just not paying if you don't mind the legal consequences Don't bother voting, or write in Mickey Mouse, John Galt, etc. Don't give legitimacy to elections. Buy local or do without as much as possible. Buy nothing from fascist corporations (those that take government grants, handouts, bailouts, use overseas labor, etc) Do not send your kids to government school; homeschool, private school, whatever, but not public schools. Stop feeding the college bubble by paying their exhorbitant fees for a subpar education. Get self-sufficient as much as possible; grow at least some part of your food, etc. Stop relying on "experts" to tell you what to do. Take charge of your medical condition by alternative medicine, researching whether your pills/treatment actually do what the doctor claims, eat good food and get your weight and fitness under control.
If everyone were to do all those things, the system would not survive.
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"Even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked." -Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
"Neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." -Samuel Adams
"...But people better realize that the worst-case scenario could actually happen.9/11 happened. This can happen. An economic 9/11, the likes of which we've never seen." Gerald Celente
This thread is great evidence as to why NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE. Left-right, left-right, the march of tyranny will not be abated!
People need to get back to first principles. Think Atlas Shrugged, for instance. And FORGET about VOTING, for gods sake. That's what got us here.
Bingo.
A zillion red-faced hysterics screaming into bullhorns are worth exactly jack **** zilch bupkiss to me if, at the end of the day, they're just going to go home and pay their taxes and vote like the compliant, obedient little serfs they still are deep down inside.
They wouldn't know a principle if it poleaxed 'em right between the eyes.
...First line in my sig leads to a bit of text maybe three pages long; I wonder how many of you ever bothered to read it, and understand the implications.
Bohemian
Posts: 9658
Incept: 2010-07-27
California
I read it and I'm still*****ed about the whole mess.
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"The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice; you have owners. They own you. They own everything." - George Carlin
The entire point of a communist rally is to get you to see red.
And then go vote like a tool.
(Doncha love the way the Democratic primaries last go-'round boiled down to Obama vs. Hillary -- both Shadow Party? ...like they're ever going to present you with a choice that matters in the first place.)
Bohemian
Posts: 9658
Incept: 2010-07-27
California
No, I'm not*****ed about that. I'm*****ed - still - that voting doesn't matter. It's a hopeless venture. Rigged. **** America. This whole thing has been an illusion from the start, co-opted by banksters.
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"The politicians are put there to give you the idea you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice; you have owners. They own you. They own everything." - George Carlin
Medicdan
Posts: 8003
Incept: 2010-02-11
Scottsdale, AZ
Downrange wrote..
This thread is great evidence as to why NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE.
Not true. The math will eventually stop everything. It will be sudden and abrupt. Both sides will claim to have not seen it coming and may even continue more of the same. However, we will have change.
Pika-steph
Posts: 54694
Incept: 2007-09-11
Live Free Or Die; US Army Est. 1775
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Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama
There's something really wrong with this picture.
Paul Joseph Watson Sunday, October 2, 2011
Despite their honest intentions, many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are being suckered into a trap and calling for the very “solutions” that are part of the financial elite’s agenda to torpedo the American middle class – higher taxes and more big government.
Watch the clip below in which journalist Adam Kokesh talks to Occupy Wall Street protesters.
The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it. They are calling for the government to use force to impose their ideas, all in the name of bringing down corporations who they don’t realize have completely bought off government regulators. Corporations and government enjoy a mutually beneficial relationship – getting one to regulate the other is asinine and only hurts smaller businesses who are legitimately trying to compete in a free market economy that barely exists.
The zeal for totalitarian government amongst some of the “protesters” is shocking. One sign being carried around read, “A government is an entity which holds the monopolistic right to initiate force,” which seems a little ironic when protesters complain about being physically assaulted by police in the same breath.
One woman interviewed by Kokesh also announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. How can a self-proclaimed Occupy Wall Street protester simultaneously support the man whose 2008 campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, whose 2012 campaign is reliant on Wall Street to an even greater extent, and whose cabinet was filled with Wall Street operatives?
Something is very wrong with this picture.
The usual suspects, mega-rich foundations and elitists, behind the young radicals have also started to emerge – George Soros, The Ruckus Society, the Tides Foundation and the Ford Foundation.
“The belated crusade against Wall Street is even more pathetic as it is coordinated by groups who wouldn’t exist without men like Soros, who made their money from deals that make the Street look sparkling clean. It’s class warfare as a cynical jab at the populist center, the people who mutter to themselves that the Street is full of crooks and so is Congress,” writes Daniel Greenfield.
The thousands of Americans currently expressing their disgust at Wall Street and the bankers who have ruined the economy to the detriment of the poor and middle class should be commended for getting off their hind ends and doing something, unlike the millions who will continue to watch American Idol, drink beer and laugh in ignorance as the country is flushed down the toilet. It should also be added that there is a sprinkling of “End the Fed” demonstrators who truly understand the root cause of the problem.
However, the fact that the majority of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators are advocating “solutions” which the very elite they claim to be protesting against also want should set alarm bells ringing.
The official Occupy Wall Street website vehemently supports Obama’s tax agenda, again in the deluded belief that Obama, the ultimate Wall Street puppet, genuinely wants to go after big corporations who use loopholes to avoid paying income tax.
In calling for higher taxes on the middle class, the protesters are mimicking the likes of billionaire Warren Buffet. The top corporations pay virtually zero income tax because of loopholes that they have crafted in league with bought off government regulators. Obama’s tax hikes will only impact genuine middle class businesses and middle class Americans earning over $200,000 – with the rate of inflation as it is this can hardly be described as the “super rich”.
As Anthony Wile writes, the protesters are being completely misdirected by their socialist/communist leaders. The real center of financial control is the Federal Reserve and the city of London, and yet ideologue Michael Moore said earlier this week that “ending capitalism” was more important than dealing with the Fed.
Wile notes that the protesters seem obsessed with those who conduct financial transactions, not those who actually run global central banks, the real string pullers.
“To get at the root of the problem, one should be protesting, say, in London’s City where central banking originated. Or protesting in front of the Federal Reserve in Washington DC. These are real seats of power. But the shadowy and excessively powerful and wealthy individuals who have created the modern economic system are quite satisfied no doubt to have Wall Street take the blame. It suits their purposes,” writes Wile.
“It is too bad that the Occupy Wall Street movement seems to be obscuring the larger issues by apparently blaming the private (transactional) sector in entirety for what has occurred in the past few years.”
The ignorance displayed in these interviews knows no bounds. The protesters just don’t get it. They are calling for the government to use force to impose their ideas...
They're not ignorant; they know exactly what they're doing.
I posted yesterday that the battle between the Wall Street crowd and the Occupy Wall Street crowd was a battle between our current slave owners and our would-be slave owners,
I refuse to cheer for either side. I don't like what Wall Street has done and is doing, and I know I wouldn't like living under any arrangement orchestrated by Soros and his ilk.
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When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again.” Edward Gibbon
Mayorquimby
Posts: 13907
Incept: 2008-09-18
The Archaic Past
I agree Medic. The people behind them might know what they are doing but the college kids do not. They are just another form of unthinking sheeple...esily manipulated towards another's ends.
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They who wish to hurt you, work within the law. - Morrissey
I just got back from downtown LA. It was cool lots of people get it. Yes commies are spewing crap but most folk just listen for a couple of minuets and move on. Lots of little groups talking **** the fed. A kid 20ish ranting about Monsanto GMO sharp kid well spoken. No haters race was not an issue.
I think we could take that over with a couple of bullhorns. If we are not present we wont be heard.
I think we could take that over with a couple of bullhorns. If we are not present we wont be heard.
The Great Quaternary Silly Season is almost upon us -- most of you will be racing around that sucker so fast that the fur on your paws will catch fire. Oh, you know it's true; don't deny it.
We stood by and watched as the Tea Party was jacked. I dont feel much like standing by this time. Monday I will go back after work post my market ticker banner and talk about stuff we speak of here. To me the hole commie/capitalist thing is moot to the corruption.How can a system work well with corruption this rampant? A Group of people in need of Leadership. Thats what I saw today. Now if only we can get some TFr smarter than me to show up we might just get ahead.
Occupy Wall Street was NOT hyjacked, It was organised by Statist Communist from the beginning, they were successful in fooling some people it was not about sides, Left Vs. Right, but they are and always were Staists Leftists running that show.
"On March 25 ACORN founder Wade Rathke, a one-time president of an SEIU local in New Orleans, announced what he described as “days of rage in ten cities around JP Morgan Chase.” Rathke said the forthcoming campaign of demonstrations, strikes and disruption will mark “the beginning of the anti-banking jihad.” http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php....
Something smelled way off to me so I just spent a few hours poking around the web to try to learn about the "occupy" movement. Everything I see leads me down a tin path, which is not one I usually (ever) go down. Some one is giving out marching orders and the protestors are just being used. This is being coordinated.
Look at the Anonymous video about Oct. 15:
Quote:
stand up against corporatism, wars, and militarism... demand an end to private for-profit prisons, fight for affordable healthcare, education, and housing for everyone
Then look at the occupy demands...it's the same message -- corporations are bad healthcare, education, and housing is a human right, and to think otherwise is undemocratic: http://occupylosangeles.org/?q=node/214
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We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments...They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. To the people of the world,
We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.
Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.
To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
Join us and make your voices heard!
Bottom line: I don't think it's possible to change the message of the protests... the message is being controlled and we don't know who the leaders are.
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