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Mpilar
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****, I would find the guy not guilty if he pulled up next to them at an intersection and opened fire. War is hell.
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Redwolf
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I can't believe thy used this level of force for a guy who's growing his own and not selling it. You can't argue that he was causing harm to anyone at any level with his habit.
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Quik49
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out yonderway
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Uppity_peasant
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Incept: 2009-06-26
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Quote:Weber County Attorney Dee W. Smith said there was no video taken of the officers actually entering the home, but there is video available of the crime scene from the dash-cams of patrol vehicles and other officers who arrived after the initial shooting. So, they have the money for a 12-man assault squad, but no money for a video cam? What, did they spend the extra jack on automatic weapons, full body armor and Stryker assault vehicles? I think they had to lose the video.
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==== If it's true that "assault weapons" are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?
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Redwolf
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Quote: So, they have the money for a 12-man assault squad, but no money for a video cam?
What, did they spend the extra jack on automatic weapons, full body armor and Stryker assault vehicles?
I think they had to lose the video.
Notice with the Jose Guerena shooting they kept the guy with the cam waiting in the car? They do that to avoid filming their screw ups. With this particular swat team having previously killed a man after bashing down his door for holding a golf club above his head trying to scare away the home invaders. Without saying anything they shot him 3 times and then told him to get on the ground. Rendering medical aid didn't seem to be a priority. The man was a small time pot user who didn't sell drugs. http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_u....After that debacle I'm sure they decided to no longer film raids.
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Lowbeyond
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/533666....How interesting.......... Quote:Last of Ogden shooting search warrants is sealed By nate carlisle
The Salt Lake Tribune First published Jan 24 2012 03:04PM Updated Jan 25, 2012 12:08AM
A judge has sealed all the search warrants related to an Ogden shooting in which one police officer was killed and five others were wounded, a spokeswoman for Utah State Courts said Tuesday.
That includes the original search warrant for a drug investigation police were serving Jan. 4 on Matthew David Stewart. The court spokeswoman, Nancy Volmer said last week that two search warrants had been sealed. Volmer on Tuesday confirmed a third and fourth search warrant have been sealed.
Search warrants in Utah become public 20 days after they are issued unless police or prosecutors ask a judge to seal them. A judge can find the search warrant would jeopardize a continuing investigation or be an invasion of privacy.
Search warrants include a description of the police investigation thus far. After the search, police must give the court on inventory of what they seized.
Court documents say the Weber Morgan Narcotics Strike force suspected Stewart, 37, was growing marijuana at his home at 3268 Jackson Ave. in Ogden. Stewart hid in his home until police entered, court documents allege, and fired a 9 mm handgun at officers.
The shooting killed strike force agent and Ogden police officer Jared Francom. Of the five wounded officers, Kasey Burrell is the only one still in the hospital. He was in fair condition Tuesday at McKay-Dee Hospital.
Stewart was wounded in the shootout and also remains in a hospital. He has been charged with aggravated murder and eight other felonies. Weber County Attorney Dee Smith has filed notice he will seek the death penalty.
Prosecutors last week filed amended charges against Stewart, adding a dangerous weapon enhancement that could mean up to nine additional years in prison if he were convicted of all counts against him.
ncarlisle@sltrib.com
Twitter: @natecarlisle
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Mpilar
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So the cops tried to murder (or at least kidnap) him for growing a plant. Too bad more of them didn't die.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
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Raftermanfmj
Posts: 3343
Incept: 2010-09-06
USA
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http://74.220.215.94/~davidkus/index.php....Here's a source of SWAT 'tips.' Wonder how many lead to death of homeowners, and dogs? From The Boy Who Heard Too Much by David Kushner Quote:The caller, who identified himself as John Defanno, said that he had the 18-year-old Danielle and her dad tied up in their home in Security, a suburb of Colorado Springs. He'd beaten the father with his gun. "He's bleeding profusely," Defanno warned. "I am armed, I do have a pistol. If any cops come in this house with any guns, I will ****ing shoot them. I better get some help here, because I'm going ****ing psycho right now."
The 911 operator tried to keep him on the line, but Defanno cut the call short. "I'm not talking anymore," he snapped. "You have the address. If I don't have help here now, in the next five minutes, I swear to ****ing God, I will shoot these people." Then the line went dead.
Officers raced to the house, ready for an armed standoff with a homicidal suspect. But when they arrived, they found no gunman, no hostages, no blood. Danielle and her father were safe and sound at home — alone. They had never heard of John Defanno, for good reason: He didn't exist.
"John Defanno" was actually a 15-year-old boy named Matthew Weigman — a fat, lonely blind kid who lived with his mom in a working-class neighborhood of East Boston. In person, Weigman was a shy and awkward teenager with a shaved head who spent his days holed up in his room, often talking for up to 20 hours a day on free telephone chat lines. On the phone, he became "Lil' Hacker," the most skilled member of a small band of telephone pranksters known as "phreaks." To punish Danielle, who had*****ed him off on a chat line, Weigman had phoned 911 and posed as a psycho, rigging his caller ID to make it look like the emergency call was coming from inside Danielle's home. It's a trick known as "swatting" — mobilizing SWAT teams to exact revenge on your enemies — and phreakers like Weigman have used it to trigger some 200 false raids in dozens of cities nationwide. Quote:Weigman performed his first "swat" at age 14, when he faked an emergency call from a convenience store down the street from his home. "Listen," he told the 911 operator, "there's a robbery here! I need you to show up right now!" Then he hung up and called his brother, who was standing watch outside the store. "Oh, God, dude!" his brother told him. "There's police everywhere!"
"Really?" Weigman replied in awe. Over the phone, he heard sirens wail in the darkness.
Weigman began spending several hours a day talking **** on assorted party lines. When someone on the line would challenge him or***** him off, he would respond by faking a 911 call and sending an armed SWAT team to their door. "I probably did it 50 or 60 times," he says. Quote:On a June night in 2006, James Proulx was watching television at 1 a.m. when a SWAT team suddenly surrounded his home in Alvarado, Texas. A stocky, gray-haired trucker who had recently undergone open-heart surgery, Proulx went to the door, where he was confronted by two armed policemen — their guns pointed directly at him. The officers threw Proulx to the ground, snapped handcuffs on him and put him in the back of a squad car.
They had reason to be suspicious. A call to 911 had come in from Proulx's house; a man identifying himself as Proulx said he was tripping on drugs and holding hostages. He demanded $50,000 so he could flee to Mexico. He also claimed to have killed his wife. If any cops got in his way, he warned, he'd kill them, too.
As the police soon discovered, however, Proulx was just another swatting victim. It turned out that Proulx's 28-year-old daughter, Stephanie, spent time on Jackie Donut. When she clashed with Weigman and others, they decided to strike back. "If a female wouldn't give Matt phone sex," she recalls, "he would call them a ****ing bitch and send a SWAT team to their house." Weigman considered Proulx a "crazy chick who would threaten hackers," and he was very direct with her. "You're annoying," he told her. "I might come after you." Four months after Stephanie's father was swatted, police showed up at her home in Fort Worth, Texas, drawn by a fake call to 911.
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Marketswork
Posts: 2320
Incept: 2009-02-27
Southern Oregon
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End local SWAT teams. Someone make the case to keep them. I am for state SWAT teams where its a matter of hours - time that can be utilized to investigate the claims. We don't need quick reactionary SWAT teams on a local level.
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William Wallace enters history when he assassinated William de Heselrig, the English High Sheriff of Lanark, in May 1297. Over 300 million guns and over 1 trillion rounds of ammo, 535 pricks are pushing the buttons of 300 million or more free gun owning people. --I don't like the odds for those pricks.
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Resistance
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Incept: 2008-09-26
Banned
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It's a war. Of course they need quick strike teams.
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"Why must political experiments always be in the direction of more government? Why not give the free market a county or even a state or two, and see what it can accomplish?"Murray Rothbard - The Fallacy of the Public Sector
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Whewt
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Incept: 2008-03-17
Lake Bonneville Shoreline!
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I have a 4th Amendment question.
The safest way for this to have gone down was to wait until the homeowner was at work (they knew he worked at Walmart). Enter the home, search it, find the stuff they are searching for, then arrest the homeowner as he leaves his job.
However, since they had a search warrant, I thought they could greet the guy as he got off work and detain him while they executed the search warrant. Case law does not make it clear. It has been ruled legal to detain the occupants when they are on the premises, but I can't find any cases where they detained them when they were not on the premises.
Anybody have legal opinion on how the police could execute this type of search warrant without violating suspects 4th Amendment rights while still maintaining safety for all? Just in this one PD in the last year, we have a dead guy with a golf club in his hand, a dead cop, and lots of injured people. Seems like there should be a safer legal way to do this.
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Redwolf
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Quote:The safest way for this to have gone down was to wait until the homeowner was at work (they knew he worked at Walmart). Enter the home, search it, find the stuff they are searching for, then arrest the homeowner as he leaves his job.
This is exactly what the cops should have done. The police really need to stop detaining people before they have evidence of a crime. Leave the guy alone until they something that shows he's a criminal. Presumption of innocence should be extended from the police to the public until they find real evidence that a crime has been committed. Most cops just assume everyone is guilty and operate in the manner that we see. Quote: However, since they had a search warrant, I thought they could greet the guy as he got off work and detain him while they executed the search warrant. Case law does not make it clear. It has been ruled legal to detain the occupants when they are on the premises, but I can't find any cases where they detained them when they were not on the premises.
But it's too much work to wait until we have evidence of a crime before we detain him! This is the cops being lazy. Same thing goes for most swat raids. Most of this behavior is about demonstrating animal dominance over people and not having to actually run around do the work required to arrest and convect people. When you take short cuts, people die. Quote: Anybody have legal opinion on how the police could execute this type of search warrant without violating suspects 4th Amendment rights while still maintaining safety for all? Just in this one PD in the last year, we have a dead guy with a golf club in his hand, a dead cop, and lots of injured people. Seems like there should be a safer legal way to do this.
Cops handled busts like this for years without deaths. It was a pretty simple procedure: Turn off the water, announce that your the police and come out with your hands up. 99% cases people come out. Other case cops had to lay siege. Today they could send robots in to taser or shoot the purp if they refuse to come out. Most of the time cops made sure they executed warrants when the purp wasn't home. If they found something then they arrested the guy at work or wherever he was. It's just extra leg work for the police.
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Expy
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Incept: 2007-09-05
Start the Demonization -Libtards!
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"End local SWAT teams."
Wishful thinking like this is silly and a waste of time. The same folks who think like this will likely vote for O.
Congress just ordered drones to fly over the US in ~ 2 yrs.
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Genesis
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It's trivially easy for someone who isn't holed up to search -- simply wait until they leave, execute your warrant. If you have an arrest warrant either wait for them to leave (GREATLY lessens the chance of armed resistance) or surround the place, shut off the power and water, and order 'em to come out then wait. They will, 9 times out of 10, surrender.
If not well you have your answer and plenty of time to call in the goon squad.
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Lowbeyond
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/534421....Quote:Ogden cop-shooting suspect says he feared for his life
Ogden • The man accused of killing a police officer and wounding five others said he thought people were breaking into his home to "rob and kill me."
Matthew David Stewart, 37, said he never heard officers identify themselves or announce they were at his home to serve a search warrant. Stewart, in an interview Friday at the Weber County Jail, said his alarm clock woke him, then he heard a crash that sounded like glass breaking.
"Some parts I remember vividly," Stewart said of the Jan. 4 shootout. "Other parts it was like I was running on instinct.
"When you’re convinced that you are getting robbed and most likely killed by a group of armed men, your instincts kick in."
Stewart has been charged with aggravated murder for the death of Ogden police Officer Jared Francom, who was a member of the Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force. He also has been charged with eight other felony counts. Weber County Attorney Dee Smith has filed notice that he intends to seek the death penalty.
Stewart spoke with a Tribune reporter Friday during one of his two weekly 25-minute visits he’s allowed via a video teleconference system at the jail. Stewart declined to answer some questions, including whether he was growing marijuana in his home on Jackson Avenue, as the strike force was investigating. Stewart did say he believes marijuana should be legal.
Stewart said he "had no idea" he was under investigation by the strike force. He worked a night shift at the Walmart in Riverdale and was asleep as the strike force arrived between 8 and 8:30 p.m.
The day after the shooting, the strike force commander, Darrin Parke, said officers repeatedly knocked on Stewart’s door and called inside the house and it was only after those tries they broke inside.
Although Stewart said he didn’t hear officers announce themselves, he didn’t answer whether he had some indication police officers had entered his home.
"I didn’t know," he said. "All I knew for sure is they were there to rob and kill me."
Court documents claim Stewart was in a hiding spot as the strike force was searching the house to see if anyone was inside. Stewart then emerged from the hiding spot, court documents say, and began firing a 9 mm Beretta, first shooting Officer Shawn Grogan in the face.
Francom was shot six times, according to the court papers.
Also injured by gunfire were Weber County sheriff’s Sgt. Nate Hutchinson; Roy police Officer James VanderWarf; Ogden police Officer Michael Rounkles; and Ogden police Officer Kasey Burrell. All the injured have been released from hospitals.
Stewart served in the U.S. Army. He saw no combat but said the training was meant to be "like the real thing." On Friday, he said he also worked nine years as armed security for the Internal Revenue Service.
Stewart said he has not been diagnosed with any disorders as a result of his service, though on Friday he said he felt the Army and security stints changed him. He did not elaborate.
When asked whether he applied his military and security training the night of the shooting, Stewart replied: "It makes sense."
As for Francom and the injured officers, Stewart said: "I’m totally devastated that anybody had to suffer over any of this. This never should have happened."
Stewart thinks two bullets struck him during the shootout, but he isn’t sure. He said he can’t tell what are entrance and exit wounds and he had difficulty getting answers from his doctors and nurses at the hospital where he remained until Monday.
One bullet appears to have struck Stewart in his right hip then entered his abdomen, he said. Doctors had to remove portions of his intestines. He’s using a colostomy bag.
"I’m still having a lot of trouble dealing with the colostomy," Stewart said. "It’s a big psychological blow, but it’s also real difficult in here."
Another bullet struck Stewart in his left leg and damaged nerves there. Stewart said he can’t stand in one place long without "blinding pain" in the leg.
Since a few days after the shooting, Stewart has been represented by attorney Randall Richards, but Stewart said Friday he will be seeking new counsel. Stewart had an initial appearance Wednesday in 2nd District Court in Ogden via a video link from the county jail. A status hearing for Stewart was set for Feb. 7.
Near the end of his visit, Stewart implied more facts of what happened Jan. 4 will emerge.
"I’ve always been a big fan of the truth," Stewart said. "It’s tough for me to stay silent on some issues."
ncarlisle@sltrib.com Lalalalalalala
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Azusgm
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Lowbeyond
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http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/02/....Quote:Fundraising stopped by family of suspect in officer shooting
OGDEN — Family and friends of Matthew David Stewart have received yet one more blow in their efforts to fight for his life in the courts.
Stewart is charged with killing one police officer and wounding five others during an Ogden drug raid last month, and prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.
His family, which is using the website helpmatthewstewart.org to gain support for Stewart’s defense, has been asked to stop raising money for the effort.
“We’ve suspended the solicitation because we received a letter from the State of Utah asking us to stop,” said Michael Stewart, Matthew’s father. The letter from the Utah Division of Consumer Protection was received Thursday.
The father said the fundraising portion of the family’s website devoted to his son’s legal defense has been removed until the family can get a required permit. “We don’t want to break the law,” said the father.
Michael Stewart said the family was told that they would need a permit to solicit funds. He said they have filed the paperwork and paid the fees required, and he was told it could take up to 20 days to receive the permit.
But he also wondered if his cause was being treated fairly.
“There have been a lot of fund-raisers for the officers,” he said. “Are they requiring a permit for that too?”
Stewart faces capital murder and other charges following the Jan. 4 raid at his home.
On the website, the family has posted stories outlining a disparity in resources between those fighting for the death penalty for their son and those working for his defense.
One story states that the playing field currently is stacked 65 to four against Stewart as prosecutors have 52 investigating officers as well as 13 other investigators looking for evidence to support them. It states that Stewart is limited to four on his defense team.
The website also complains about a 21-minute video it claims contains about 200 images collected from the Weber County Sheriff’s Office that is being distributed to law-enforcement agencies statewide.
Consumer Protection Division Director Traci Gunderson said the family must register for a permit with the state as a charity under the Charitable Solicitations Act, which is designed to protect the public from fraud.
Michael Stewart said he submitted an application for a permit and a $100 fee Friday.
The law requires a permit before soliciting, requesting, promoting, advertising or sponsoring a contribution for a charitable purpose. Many groups, including religious organizations, schools, political parties and volunteer fire departments, are exempt.
The letter was sent to Stewart’s family after a couple of residents asked if the family was registered with the state, Gunderson said.
“Our standard operation procedure is, when we become aware of solicitations being made, we send out a notice,” Gunderson said, adding some organizations fail to show where funds are going, and a permit will reveal that.
On its website, the family describes the shootout as a “tragic misunderstanding” and had asked for help in raising $70,000 to mount a legal defense.
In addition to capital murder, Matthew Stewart faces a marijuana cultivation charge and seven counts of attempted aggravated murder.
Matthew Stewart, who served in the military and has worked in security, has said he feared for his life the night of the raid because he thought people were breaking into his home to rob and kill him.
He said he never heard the drug strike force members identify themselves or announce they were at his home to serve a search warrant.
Ogden Police Officer Jared Francom was killed in the ensuing shooting, and five other officers were injured, some critically.
The family wants to hire private investigators and expert witnesses to assist two public defenders who have been appointed to handle Matthew Stewart’s case.
Besides their website, the family also has launched a Facebook group, which currently has 329 members, called Supporters of Matthew David Stewart. On the site, supporters have posted concerns about the legality of how the raid on Stewart’s house was conducted, as well as information about when a person is legally allowed to use deadly force to protect his property.
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Mpilar
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Quote:The father said the fundraising portion of the family’s website devoted to his son’s legal defense has been removed until the family can get a required permit. **** me...too bad he didn't kill all of those pieces of ****.
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
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Uppity_peasant
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Incept: 2009-06-26
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Quote:One story states that the playing field currently is stacked 65 to four against Stewart as prosecutors have 52 investigating officers as well as 13 other investigators looking for evidence to support them. It states that Stewart is limited to four on his defense team. 65 Agents of the Crown to "get" this one peasant. Let's see - a week's work each @ $1000.00 a week (say they get $25 an hour, but we know it's more) works out to $65,000 at a minimum to nail the peasant. As I've said before, they'll spend as much of the taxpeasants' money as is necessary to make an example out of an unruly serf... It's not really all that complicated. Why so many .gov taxeaters on this one? Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
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==== If it's true that "assault weapons" are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?
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Lowbeyond
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Quote:Why so many .gov taxeaters on this one? An Assault on the Kings men is an Assault on the King himself
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Kamath
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This whole thing is just disgusting and shameful.
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Azusgm
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East Texas
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Now the state intends to seize his house. He won't be able to attempt to sell it to help pay for his defense (as if anyone would buy at any price). His father is having to shut down for the second time the website over which donations are solicited. Looks like the defense attorneys are having a difficult time accessing evidence and information. Surely seems like the the guy is being railroaded to the death house. http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/02/....Does anyone else think either he had an extra clip in his hand or there is a matter of a cop or two being hit by police bullets? This is all so wrong.
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Mpilar
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 Zero semblance of law in this country anymore...I honestly don't know why I bother obeying any law at all...these pieces of **** deserve everything they get in the coming years...I want to watch cops (and their families!) starving on the side of the road...
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Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. H. L. Mencken
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Sushihorn
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Don't take them head on when they are organized to attack.
If things keep going this way there will be open warfare as the people strike back against the Occupation. When that happens you don't fight them when they are concentrated and organized. You hit them when they are alone. Yet take out their property and wealth. You present so many threats they can't possibly defend against them all. Make them live in constant fear where they are never safe.
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Azusgm
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East Texas
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The Standard Examiner has a topic page with an assembly of stories they have done on Matthew David Stewart. http://www.standard.net/topics/matthew-d....The paper was able to get dashcam videos from the police cars. There are a couple of clips posted. As it so happens, the prosecutor in this case is running for state attorney general. Expect only the worst from the prosecution. http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/04/....One heartening bit is that an advocacy group has formed to seek justice and to try to end the drug war in their town. A former narcotics officer from LAPD attended their meeting. Cops who not only refuse to be a part of the problem but who actively work to end the problem may be the the greatest hope in the efforts to end the country's violent war on nonviolent drug users.
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