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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16864
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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Well its official The AGW have blamed the fire on Global Warming http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2012/06/e....Quote:Enviro Group Blames Global Warming for Increased Wildfires June 19, 2012 By Valerie Richardson Share on TwitterinShare
The CEO and president of the Climate Reality Project is Maggie Fox, who is married to Democratic Sen. Mark Udall
DENVER–Man-made climate change has been blamed for hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, drought–and now, Colorado’s wildfires.
The Climate Reality Project, the Washington, D.C.-based group founded by former Democratic vice president Al Gore, is taking the lead in promoting the view that wildfires in the American West are getting bigger and that climate change is responsible.
“Both NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have predicted that wildfires are likely to be more frequent and widespread because of climate change,” said Shravya Reddy, solutions analyst for the Climate Reality Project in a website post. “That happens for two reasons: Higher temperatures, and also a drier climate.”
What about the bark-beetle epidemic, which has killed four million acres of forest in Colorado since the mid-1990s? It turns out the bark beetle can also be blamed on climate change.
At a conference last year in Aspen entitled “Forests at Risk,” Gore said warmer winters have allowed the beetle to proliferate at the same time that pine trees are weakened by the higher temperatures.
“The linkage these scientists have referred to over and over again to global warming is something I’m sure some people resist, but it’s a fact,” said Gore at the symposium, billed as the first to discuss the connection between degraded forest health and climate change.
The Climate Reality Project is the latest Gore effort targeting global warming. Using the proceeds from his film An Inconvenient Truth, Gore founded the Alliance for Climate Protection and the Climate Project in 2006. Last year, Gore merged the two organizations and changed the name to “broadcast the reality of the climate crisis and mobilize citizens to help solve it,” he told Climate Progress.
The group has been prominent in Colorado as a result of its connection with the state’s top Democratic power couple. The CEO and president of the Climate Reality Project is Maggie Fox, who lives in Boulder and is married to Democratic Sen. Mark Udall.
At the Aspen symposium, Gore called Udall “my senator. I don’t live in Colorado, but he’s my senator.” Former Democratic Gov. Bill Ritter, who was also featured at the conference, was an early believer in the link between climate change and forest fires.
There is widespread agreement that beetle-kill forests are a primary reason for this year’s virulent wildfires. Bark beetles have destroyed more than 41.7 million acres of trees in the western states, including 21.7 million acres in the intermountain West.
There is much less unity on how to combat the beetle infestation. The Climate Reality Project supports tougher federal and state regulations on fossil-fuel emissions, or the “save a tree, kill a coal-fired power plant” approach.
“We need policies that reduce carbon pollution from fossil fuels,” said Juanita Constible, science and solutions director for the Climate Reality Project, in an email. “For example, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is currently finalizing the first-ever limits on carbon pollution from new power plants. This is a great first step to reducing the impacts of climate change on Colorado’s forests.”
Critics of the Climate Reality Project say the group is using another natural disaster–in this case, wildfires–to attack fossil-fuel energy sources and squelch calls for logging the devastated areas.
“There’s a very strong belief in the environmental movement that human intervention is the source of the problem and that nature would be fine if we didn’t do anything,” said Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. “So whenever you have catastrophic fire, they’ll find something else to blame, like global warming, when the real problem is that we’ve stopped managing the forests.”
The National Climate Data Center shows that temperatures January-to-May 2012 broke records for heat in some localities, including Grand Junction, which posted its third-hottest January-to-May in 113 years. At the same time, Ebell pointed to center data showing that Colorado has actually seen its average temperature drop slightly from 1998 to 2011, when data is collected only from rural stations and not those that have been urbanized since 1900.
Critics argue that If trees were fewer and spaced more widely, which was the standard in national forests until the early 1990s, they would have more access to moisture during the typically dry Western summers. The result would be healthier trees better able to resist insect attacks.
Timber-cutting in the national forests has fallen from 12 billion board feet per year in the early 1990s to 2 billion board feet today, he said, even though those forests add about 17 billion board feet per year.
“It means there’s been a huge build-up of material for fire, and as you know the forests are more like thickets now,” said Ebell. “We’ve given up managing the forests by design–now we manage them by catastrophic fires.”
Bill Gherardi, president of the Colorado Forestry Association, also takes issue with the climate-change theory. He advocates a long-term forest-health stewardship plan that includes logging to clear the insect infestation, stop the beetles from moving to healthy stands of trees, and reduce tree crowding.
“Everyone wants to point to climate change as the reason we’re losing our forests,” said Gherardi. “Forests in Bavaria and Germany are still green, and they’ve had natural disasters, climate swings, and insect infestations. They’re green because people appreciate and value the forests.”
He notes that the rise of the bark beetle has coincided with the decline of the logging industry in the West. The number of saw mills in Colorado has dropped from 65 in the 1970s to two large mills now, in addition to a handful of mom-and-pop mills, said Gherardi.
Last week, Sens. Udall and Michael Bennet introduced an amendment to the 2012 Farm Bill that would double to $200 million the amount set aside for beetle-mitigation efforts. The amendment includes tree-thinning–but only near homes, campsites, roads and power lines, which excludes most forest acreage.
“I continue to echo the concern that we cannot turn back the clock on bark beetles, but we can relieve the immediate risk to human health and safety by removing beetle-killed trees from high-risk areas . . . And biomass energy facilities and traditional sawmills can convert this problem into jobs and revenue if we approach it the right way,” Udall said in a statement.
Udall didn’t mention global warming, but that’s where Gore’s group comes in.
“I’m not a forest expert so I can’t speak to the pros and cons of specific management proposals,” said the Climate Reality Project’s Constible. “I can tell you, however, that forest management plans need to explicitly incorporate the effects of climate change.”
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Krzelune
Posts: 5513
Incept: 2007-10-08
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They really need to make a watermelon carcus fired electricity generation plant soon.
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The desire of millions, the inconvenience of millions, the suffering of millions, the death of millions, does not concern them because of the evolutionary humanist lens they peer through.
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Theox
Posts: 578
Incept: 2009-01-30
People's Republic of Maryland
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They need to make a Gore-fired electricity plant. That lard-ass could generate millions of BTU's.
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Txin1880
Posts: 4735
Incept: 2009-02-25
Texas
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Realization - Rage - Resolve - Rifles - Rope - Recovery - Rinse - Repeat
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16864
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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Heh. Do you know how easy it would be to do that?
You could set the entire state of co on fire and basically suck up the FF resources of the nation.
Then... Set other states on fire and watch it all burn.
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Antone
Posts: 7655
Incept: 2008-02-03
Seditionia, USSA
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I'll get the marshmallows.
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As if anything has changed:
Wir sind gefickt.
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Landshark
Posts: 11233
Incept: 2008-02-07
The Wild West
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Or maybe it was just lightning.
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Txin1880
Posts: 4735
Incept: 2009-02-25
Texas
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Never know because I am pretty sure TPTB are not going to say terrorists are lighting us on fire.
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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It's now burned 68,000 acres.
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Duc888
Posts: 7368
Incept: 2008-11-06
CT, the UNconstitution State
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It's a jobs program as soon as goobermint announces that the tourists....errr...terrorists lit it. We'll obviously need to hire 600,000 brownshirts.
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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Now up to 75,000 acres and containment down to 45 from 60 percent. I can't post links because of redirects, but 9 news colorado has a lot of coverage.
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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As of now, 81,000 acres burned in this fire alone. Time will tell of it burned hot enough to sterilize the soil.
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Scrood
Posts: 4097
Incept: 2008-05-17
There's Gold in Them Thar Hills!
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Pietertvl
Posts: 3586
Incept: 2007-12-05
NFA
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And another near Estes Park. And another near Grand Junction. 102 yesterday. 104 today. 95+ into mid week. 90s into July. No rain in sight for metro Denver.
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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It's a doozy if they've closed pikes peak and garden of the gods and the cog railroad. Those aren't all that close to highway 24. Thanks for the heads up. I have friends in Manitou springs that I need to get in touch with.
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16864
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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The whole state is burning. Doh!
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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One of my friends got evacuated but will be staying with her daughter. They both pay attention. The fire outside of co springs is getting the class one(big deal) responders (class 3 for the fire that has burned 20 homes inside the city limits of estes park).
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Ramthebulls
Posts: 10842
Incept: 2007-09-24
Queens, NY
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Picture of the Waldo Canyon ... Manitou ... fire from my moms house in central Colorado Springs, roughly ten miles from the blaze.
Way too ****ing close to home.
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Lowbeyond
Posts: 16864
Incept: 2008-02-11
CO aka West NJ/East CA
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I imagine its just gonna get worse over the next 2-3 months into Sept.
We need some serious rain.
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Scrood
Posts: 4097
Incept: 2008-05-17
There's Gold in Them Thar Hills!
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And another fire in Elbert: http://kdvr.com/2012/06/24/elbert-county....ELBERT COUNTY, Colo. — A new fire burning west of the town of Elbert is reportedly causing evacuations. The Elizabeth Fire Department is reporting the blaze started at approximately 12 p.m. and was initially detected as a brush fire west of Elbert off of Country Road 114. Currently the fire is moving along County Road 102 towards Elbert, where 100 people from the town have been evacuated. The fire has reportedly burned between 40-100 acres. Though no structures have been lost, homes off of Country Road 98 are being threatened. This fire is burning separately of the Waldo Canyon fire, which is burning approximately 35 miles southwest of Elbert.
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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Air quality was bad this morning in boulder and Broomfield CO.
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Arbcon
Posts: 256
Incept: 2007-11-15
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I was in Denver, Aspen and Vail this weekend. Conditions are extremely dry in all three areas-with Denver being the dryest. We need rain there quickly. Although the fire is an hour or so North of Denver, there isn't anything to stop a burn further South.
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Weezie
Posts: 6063
Incept: 2008-05-19
Caution: Congress at Work
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Aunt and Uncle are in Colorado Springs. They've packed up belongings and headed out. Figure can't do anything if the fires come and might as well wait it out at a hotel 30 miles away instead of being forced into a shelter later.
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Hstella
Posts: 284
Incept: 2009-08-18
Colorado
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The fire out of Fort Collins is now up to 83K acres burned and 198 houses, 45 percent containment. The one in the CO Springs area is at 5K acres, 5 percent containment and I read somewhere that half of the nation's fire fighters are in CO. Not sure if that's men or C130s w/fire rigging. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_209263....
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Ramthebulls
Posts: 10842
Incept: 2007-09-24
Queens, NY
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Colorado Springs fire has just gone postal. Blowing into multiple neighborhoods at this hour.
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