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Videopro
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It had long been rumored Arafat was murdered, infected with HIV, or otherwise 'offed' by external means. New current evidence points in the direction of a state sponsored assassination. Quote:Tests hint at possible Arafat poisoning
Nine-month investigation by Al Jazeera discovers rare, radioactive polonium on ex-Palestinian leader's final belongings. The money shot: Quote:Further tests, conducted over a three-month period from March until June, concluded that most of that polonium – between 60 and 80 per cent, depending on the sample – was “unsupported,” meaning that it did not come from natural sources. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/what....
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Rarnopp
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Polonium is a very "public" way of murdering someone. And why and how has this come out only now?
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Asimov
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It's a way of making a VERY PUBLIC statement.
Not like you can just drop down to your nearest drug store and pick some up. You pretty much have to have OFFICIAL access to a nuclear reactor of some kind.
And the "not from natural sources" is pretty ****ing obvious, since the longest half life of a polonium isotope is like 103 years.
The most common isotope has a half life of 138 days and decays into lead.
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wiki wrote..Polonium is a very rare element in nature because of the short half-life of all its isotopes. It is found in uranium ores at about 0.1 mg per metric ton (1 part in 1010),[33][34] which is approximately 0.2% of the abundance of radium. The amounts in the Earth's crust are not harmful. Polonium has been found in tobacco smoke from tobacco leaves grown with phosphate fertilizers.[35][36][37]
Because of the small abundance, isolation of polonium from natural sources is a very tedious process. The largest batch was extracted in the first half of the 20th century by processing 37 tonnes of residues from radium production. It contained only 40 Ci (9 mg) of polonium-210.[38] Nowadays, polonium is obtained by irradiating bismuth with high-energy neutrons or protons.
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Wow, I didn't realize how toxic it was.. Quote:By mass, polonium-210 is around 250,000 times more toxic than hydrogen cyanide (the actual LD50 for 210Po is less than 1 microgram for an average adult (see below) compared with about 250 milligrams for hydrogen cyanide ... Quote:It has been estimated that a median lethal dose of 210Po is 0.015 GBq (0.4 mCi), or 0.089 micrograms
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Markgoldman
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Betcha Israels involvement was minimal.
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Asimov
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Well, wiki is up to date: Quote:On July 3rd, 2012, Al Jazeera suggested former President of the Palestinian authority, Yasser Arafat may have also been poisoned by Polonium. The official statement announcing his death in 2004 failed to determine a cause of death, saying only that he had a "mystery blood disorder."[72] Speculation already existed months after his death suggesting that polonium had been used.[73] According to Al Jazeera, "tests reveal that Arafat’s final personal belongings – his clothes, his toothbrush, even his iconic kaffiyeh – contained abnormal levels of polonium, a rare, highly radioactive element. Those personal effects, which were analyzed at the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, were variously stained with Arafat’s blood, sweat, saliva and urine. The tests carried out on those samples suggested that there was a high level of polonium inside his body when he died."[74] This information was corroborated by Dr. Francois Bochud, Director of the Institute.
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HOLY ****. YOU CAN BUY IT, LEGALLY. IN THE USA. In some cases with a "general license" and in some cases, apparently, without any licensing at all. Quote:Some anti-static brushes contain up to 500 microcuries (20 MBq) of 210Po as a source of charged particles for neutralizing static electricity.[77] In USA, the devices with no more than 500 µCi of (sealed) 210Po per unit can be bought in any amount under a "general license",[78] which means that a buyer need not be registered by any authorities.
Tiny amounts of such radioisotopes are sometimes used in the laboratory and for teaching purposes—typically of the order of 4–40 kBq (0.1–1.0 µCi), in the form of sealed sources, with the polonium deposited on a substrate or in a resin or polymer matrix—are often exempt from licensing by the NRC and similar authorities as they are not considered hazardous. Small amounts of 210Po are manufactured for sale to the public in the United States as 'needle sources' for laboratory experimentation, and are retailed by scientific supply companies. The actual polonium is a layer of plating which in turn is plated with a material such as gold. This allows the alpha radiation (used in experiments such as cloud chambers) while preventing the polonium from being released and presenting a toxic hazard. According to United Nuclear, they typically sell between four and eight sources per year.[79][80]
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Ok, I'm done reading about it now, so I'm done spamming.
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Grumpygirl
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Didn't he have a wife or ex-wife and child? Wonder what happened to them.
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Videopro
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The timing of the news release is very very interesting, if not suspect, considering the ramping of conflict in the Middle East. Suppose, just for sake of an argument that certain similarly 'out there' state personalities in the Middle East were the intended target of this not so subtle 'tangential warning'.
Say for example, Assad or 12imamijad
I know that borders on tin, but tin has become the new reality... just sayin'.
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from Wikipedia: On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[2] According to doctors, "Litvinenko's murder represents an ominous landmark: the beginning of an era of nuclear terrorism".[3][4][5]
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I imagine Arafat had more enemies than just about anyone else in the world.
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Does Po injure as a result of alpha particles or is there a chemical effect?
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Etika
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It's completely the alpha particles. It's the combination of high activity (which is why it also decays relatively fast) and very high-energy alpha particles it generates. That causes massive local damage in the tissue that is in the immediate vicinity of the polonium particle.
The high activity and high energy of the polonium also make it extremely nasty to handle in most forms. The decay releases so much energy that if you have a piece of metallic polonium sitting on a table, the energy released in the decay kicks off the outermost layer of atoms, effectively aerosolizing them. A 10 gram piece of metallic polonium would turn completely airborne in about day that way. Which obviously isn't very nice when the stuff is a poisonous as it is.
There are only few forms where this aerosolization doesn't happen (mostly when it is dissolved into certain organic solvents or deposited in some substrate). The chemistry needed to get the polonium from the beryllium targets into one of those (relatively) safe forms is a dangerous and difficult job. Which is why only few high-grade radiochemistry labs in the world manufacture it.
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Bergziege
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Reminds me of the CIA trying to poison Castro's cigars with LSD. Quantities of poison are similar.
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Swampwoman
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Since the half life of polonium 210 is less than 140 days, I wonder who put the stuff on his clothing recently.
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Etika
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It's still possible to detect those materials after this time if there has been enough of the stuff around. Since there has been about 20 Po-210 half lifes since his death, the amount has declined to 1/1000000th of the amount. Depending on the amount of material around at the beginning, that can still be detectable with long measurements in good laboratory. The original article did list the amounts detected (that's unusually good reporting), which were quoted from 54-180 mBq. That's utterly tiny activity but still detectable in a lab if one is willing to use long enough measurement times.
To put that to scale, it would mean that the original amounts of Po-210 during the time of his death on the toothbrush and the urine stain were 54 and 180 kBq. For referring how much that is, Asimov had good links above. 4-40 kBq sources can be obtained wihtout permit and the lethal dose is estimated to be 15,000 kBq.
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Txscout
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I find this highly improbable, considering his long standing penchant for male prostitutes, and young boys--unless it was polonium leaching from Chinese-made buttplugs or strap-ons. Arafat, did himself in, in the end, so to speak.... 
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The chemistry needed to get the polonium from the beryllium targets into one of those (relatively) safe forms is a dangerous and difficult job
Oh, well there you go. It's the perfect application for a beryllium sphere.
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Txscout
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Sounds as if someone's trying to give Arafat's death a happy "ending"? From: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2012/....Quote: THURSDAY, JULY 05, 2012
The numbers in the Arafat polonium report don't add up (UPDATED) I just looked at the methodology of the Swiss institute that initially determined that there was far more polonium-210 in Yasser Arafat's urine than normal.
Essentially the only personal items that had huge amounts of polonium were Arafat's underwear and toothbrush, with a bloodstain on his hospital cap having a significant amount as well. But the report found that the toothbrush bristles had similar levels of polonium as that of a control toothbrush (from an IRA collaborator). So most of the "smoking gun" comes from the urine sample in the underwear.
Here is what the report says: The cumulative urinary excretion and the daily urinary excretion after acute intake by ingestion of 210- Po are shown in Figure 7 and 8. A good agreement was found between the values of cumulative urinary excretion reported by Harrison et al.[2] and those calculated in our study (see Figure 6).
Regarding the poisoning of Mr. Litvinenko by 210-Po in November 2006 in London, Harrison et al. [2] concluded that 0.1–0.3 GBq or more absorbed to blood of an adult male is likely to be fatal within 1 month. This range would correspond to an intake of 1–3 GBq or more, assuming f1=01. Based on their study, Li et al. [3] found that the estimated amount of 210-Po ranged from 27 MBq assuming f1=0.5 to 1.4 GBq assuming f1=0.1.
Considering a poisoning by ingestion of 1 GBq of 210-Po (f1=0.1), it is expected to find about 500 kBq/day in urinary excretion the first 10 days after intake, about 250 kBq/day between 10 and 20 days and about 150 kBq/day between 20 and 30 days, according to Figure 8. Note that for a daily urinary excretion of about 1000 ml/day, such a concentration of 210-Po might have been observed in the gamma spectrometry analysis of 2004 (we estimated the detection limit at 25 kBq/l). Then, assuming that about 2 ml of urine might be found in the underwear with urine stains, we expect that 1 kBq can be found in the underwear if it is worn during the first 10 days after intake. This activity of 1 kBq in October 2004 corrected for radioactive decay of 10 Po (T1/2 = 138.4 d) gives about 1.4 mBq in February 2012. For comparison, an activity of 180 mBq was found for the urine stain of underwear (A) (see Table 2). The authors note that 1 GBq will kill a man in a month. They then note that this amount would yield about 1.4 mBq in the urine after some 20 half-lives of decay, in February 2012.
And then they say that they measured 180 mBq in February, over a hundred times more!
But doesn't that mean that Arafat ("Mr. Louvet" in the report) would have ingested over 100 Gbq of polonium in 2004 - 100 times the dosage that kills within a month? If so, how did he survive as long as he did after he took ill?
Moreover, if he would have taken a lethal amount, they note that the French doctors would have observed that in their gamma spectography analysis in 2004. Yet they didn't.
Finally, and in addition to our alpha-spectrometric analysis, we re-analyzed the raw data of the gamma spectrometry performed on urine samples by the French government before Mr Louvet's death. We did not detect any abnormal gamma activities. In particular, we checked the area around the energy 803 keV that is (weakly) emitted by 210-Po. We did not find any evidence of this nuclide in the spectra. Could it be that the samples were contaminated with trace amounts of polonium in the intervening years?
This gets into the realm of conspiracy theories, which I am no fan of, but one other fact needs to be mentioned: You can buy tiny, but safe, amounts of polonium over the Internet.
UPDATE: My theory isn't so far-fetched . An expert in Israel talked to the Jerusalem Post and came up with the same conclusion:
The high levels of the radioactive poison polonium reportedly found on the belongings of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat indicate that the toxin was planted on them long after Arafat's death, a senior counter-terrorism analyst told The Jerusalem Post Thursday.
Dr. Ely Karmon, of the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center's Institute for Counter-Terrorism, is a specialist in chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear terrorism.
Responding to an Al Jazeera report published Wednesday, which said that specialists at the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, discovered abnormally high levels of polonium on Arafat's belongings, Karmon said that the half life of the substance would make it impossible for polonium to have been discovered at such high levels if it had been used to kill Arafat eight years ago.
According to the Al-Jazeera report, polonium has a half-life of 138 days, "meaning that half of the substance decays roughly every four-and-a-half months."
And yet, eight years after Arafat's death, the Swiss scientists reported finding polonium levels of 54mBq and 180mBq on his belonging, considered to be high levels.
"If it had been used to for poisoning, minimal levels should be seen now. Yet much higher levels were found. Someone planted the polonium much later," Karmon said.
"Because of the half life of the substance, the conclusion is that the polonium is much more fresh," he added.
....After Arafat's death, "why did neither Suha nor the PA agree to release the French hospital's medical file?" he added.
(h/t CHA and Sasha)
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