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Goforbroke
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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE OPEN BACK UP
I don't think we're going to, regardless of what the numbers say. They have dug themselves in too deep.

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Frat
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But GFB, the TAX REVENUES alone means they have to open up eventually. Uncle Sugar can only print so much before it all goes to hell. You'll note gold currently at $1975/oz and silver over $26/oz now. That has to be a condemnation of what these idiots are doing.

If we get ANY stimulus money... ****, I don't even know what to buy. There's nothing THERE.

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@Frat - If you reached suppression, nothing happens. There are still cases but there is no acceleration; there can't be.

If not, the sequence resumes. Which is what I pointed out in February and March. You can't avoid it and those who think they did are finding out otherwise. I wasn't right because I'm some kind of genius, I was right because math and physics are not suggestions.

There is no purpose to a lockdown or constraint, save one -- to keep the hospitals from collapsing. But that's a short-term problem if you have a brain; you set up field hospitals for whatever the bug is, and anyone who gets it goes there, period. Those who work there are locked in; it's an isolation situation until you recover or die, basically, and if you work there then you're getting paid the big bucks, but you're not leaving either.

If it has to be tents and RVs, then it is. Doesn't matter. You keep it out of the health care system because if you don't you'll kill a huge number of people since only sick people go to the ER or hospital generally, and those are the exact people that if you vector whatever it is into, you kill.

Setting that up is a 30 day thing, maximum. Beyond that there is no reason for any sort of constraint whatsoever. Period.

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Asimov
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I was trying to explain the whole herd immunity/suppression thing to my wife tonight.

Her: "I'm sorry I bought it up."

Me: "It wasn't me this time!"

She's of the opinion that it's not going to matter. As long as there are still people catching it, nobody's going to care about your silly herd immunity. They just have to look to whatever flavor of media they prefer (social or mainstream) and see justification for their fear.

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Frat
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Well... I can't say she's wrong. Way too many Karens and way too many politicians are too heavily invested in this cluster**** to just "let it go." They're happy to destroy the country as long as they don't have to admit they were wrong about it all.

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Tickerguy
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They're making a really bad bet.

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Mooreupp
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Disregard. Need to redo this math.

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Tickerguy
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Looks like a whole lot of nothing there. But at least you didn't get spiked like we did.

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Holy crap....

Another spike, WITH THE MASK ORDER IN PLACE. These people are NUTS.
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Asimov
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By the numbers all over east TN, I'm pretty sure we'd be having a spike regardless of mask rule. Deaths, not so much. Positive tests? Lots.

Even though I know masks can increase the risk, I'm not sure I'm ready to blame all the increase on them. It feels... sloppy. Too many changing variables to pick just one.

The numbers here in hawkins county were trending up pretty strongly (from almost nothing) prior to the mask order - which isn't being enforced and almost nobody is using. But they're going up pretty fast.

Less staying at home, more out and about around others along with more testing? I dunno.

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Point being that the order doesn't suppress anything.

But the mechanistic means by which it can increase transmission is pretty clear. It's a filter, and whatever it filters it concentrates. You now have a biohazard on your face, and now you take it off when you go into a restaurant to have something to eat, remove it because you must to eat, and where is it that you're going to put it?

Wherever you put it you just contaminated, and the really bad news is that you didn't just move contamination from one place in a business to another (bad enough), you brought contamination inside that was hundreds of feet or even miles away and would have never been there in the first place, but for your action.

It is not difficult at all to see how this would cause a material increase in transmission.

Now if you were interested in trying to control that you could. You could mandate that every business hand out at the door disposable and sterile masks and mandate that they be removed and discarded at the door when exiting.

That would prevent that cross-contamination problem. But it would bankrupt basically every business because those masks are a buck each and everyone who came in or out would have to be provided one. Further, they couldn't remove it while inside, so you'd have to close all restaurants and/or bars on a permanent basis. You can't have any hospitality business that serves food or beverages of any sort, since it's not possible to wear a mask and consume them.

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Asimov
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You could mandate that every business hand out at the door disposable and sterile masks and mandate that they be removed and discarded at the door when exiting.


HAH! Maybe the government should spend some of the trillions spilling out of it's pockets on this.

Or even better, your handwashing stations.

Can't eat with them on?!? Why not?! You can smoke with them on!


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Frat
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That is SO disturbing on SO many levels.

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Oh I'm not going to comment on that here in an open forum where anyone can read it.... smiley

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Goforbroke
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I would assume that the zipper teeth could prove to be rather painful.

Ziiiiip.

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Frat
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In SO many way GFB... even innocent ones, like... do you have a mustache/beard? (although I'm assuming you don't lol)

Others are... unwilling to be contemplated.

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Tickerguy
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Here's a thread I posted today on the mechanistic problems with mask orders, and why they can't work in the general population.

The data says they're a religious argument similar to trying to "pray away the gay" and at best do nothing, while at worst they escalate a bad situation.

https://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=23....

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Tickerguy
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Today's update....

In short -- STOP THE STUPID!

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Not just a failure, a COLOSSAL F**K-UP!

I was being nice, since you said this was public.

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Goforbroke
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The numbers don't matter anymore.

They are going to stick with this mask and social distancing and lock down stuff regardless and dig their heels in even deeper.

Even the lawsuits aren't phasing them.

They are implementing mandates which are becoming more and more bizarre and aren't taking anything else into consideration.

It's like, "I'm going to [fill in the blank] even if it kills me." Adults stomping their feet and throwing tantrums.

The problem is that we have no leader who can stand up and call out the bull****. Normally, that would be the President. So I guess we're on our own to deal with these ogres.


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Little_eddie
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It's collapse, get use to it

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Tickerguy
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The latest Mayor Larry Waters stupidity report:
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Tickerguy
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The clownshow continues....
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Asimov
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I imagine that'll be a wonderful bit of data for whoever runs against him next election.

*Stares*

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Tickerguy
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The stupidity continues; 6 days to estimated suppression.
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